Beteyen ibn Mirshid

By Edouard Aldahdah

Posted on October 18th, 2016 in General

I had never seen this photo of Beteyen Ibn Mirshid of the Sbaa Bedouins before. It is apparently featured in Von Oppenheim’s book. Can anyone confirm? He was the owner of Queen of Sheba, of the Blunts.

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16 Responses to “Beteyen ibn Mirshid”

  1. That looks very similar to the photographs I remember from that book. Family groups lined up in front of a tent.

  2. There are many good Fotos, but this picture is not found there.I have the german edition of Von Oppenheim’s Book, “Die Bedouinen I.,II. (Leipzig 1939).Maybe in an other edition?
    But interesting,in the I.Book’s Appendix has the “Tafel III.” where we can see Ferhan Ibn Hudeb ( upper sheik of the Sba’a Aneze) and son in front of the same (?) or a very similar tent…

    “Beteyen Ibn Mirshid” The caption fonts of your Foto are comparable with the captions of the Fotos in Harry Philby’s book..
    I’m looking more in the evening ..

    László

  3. IS it the same photos as the Ibn Hudeb photo?

  4. No, Ibn Hudeb and his son staying in front of the same tent (99 %I think), or a very very similar tent. Maybe this foto is the part of a serie, or by the same photographer, maybe at the same time.

  5. This photo, with Ibn Hudeb and his son, was made in 1899.

  6. Wasn’t Queen of Sheba thought to be the cause of Berks great movement?
    best wishes
    Bruce Peek

  7. *Berk’s movement is usually attributed to Azrek, with Queen of Sheba a contributing factor. Lady Anne Blunt’s comment in her journals about *Berk was “his action is magnificent—he was a perfect picture in motion and recalled Queen of Sheba, Azrek, and Ahmar (this last his grandsire).”

    Lady Anne described Azrek as having “unrivalled trotting action (seen approaching at the trot one saw underneath the hoof).”

  8. I love Lady Blunt’s description of her first sight if Queen of Sheba, fantastic photo.

    PS I am too embarrassed to comment again post above this one as I have already put three comments there but Edouard if you know of/hear of any Syrian horse people who have ended up here in Britain who may like to visit us and our horses and friends for some horse talk/riding please give them our contact, we are already in touch with a few refugee families who now live here in West Wales and there are some nice networks of friends developing but I would be delighted to share some horse time with anyone who is prepared to forgive the Skowronek in my family horses 🙂

    new email: lisaninetyseven@gmail.com

  9. Lisa: re: anyone who is prepared to forgive the Skowronek in my family horses.” Well you know Skowronek was part of a general movement of horse breeding in Eastern Europe that included the development of the Shagyas, Gidrans, Weilki Polska, and other anglo Arabian influenced breeds. There really imho is nothing to forgive. Skowtronek descended horses, coupled with Hamra descended horses produced cmk horses in this country with escpecially good hindends, and very trainable dispositions0- the most important attribute any horse destined to be used by humans can posess.
    best
    Bruce Peek

  10. Hello,

    This photo is of my grandfather’s uncle.

    Sheikh Farhan Ibn Hudaib who was the head of Saba’a tribe part of Aniza tribe ( second man from the left. died in 1906),his eldest son Barjas who was captain in the ottomans military (second man from the right died in 1933), and his younger son Saleh (third one from the left died in 1977) he was about 15. Taken by Oppenheim

    It doesn’t belong to Beteyen Ibn Mirshid at all.

    another photo for Sheikh Farhan and Barjas https://goo.gl/images/GDIWK6

  11. Thank you. But what about the first one from the left, and the fourth one from the left? Who were they?

    Your noble family, among other pure arabian horses, was the owner of a very esteemed strain of Shuwaymat Sabbah that survives in the West until today.

  12. Hello Edouard,

    The first one from the left is from same family “Hudaib” Sheikh Farhan second cousin but I couldn’t recognize which one was him till now, my grandmother who’s today around 94 only remembers “Barjas” when she was around 6 years old and “Saleh” who died in the late 70s.

    *The fourth one from the left is “Mithqal” he’s Sheikh Farhan’s younger and only brother.

    Who owns Shuwaymat Sabbah now?
    Some elder folks including mu grandmother told me about some pure bloodlines horse and described them.

  13. One bay Shuwaymah Sabbah from Ibn Hudaib of Sba’ah ‘Anazah called Cherifa was exported to Algeria (under French occupation at the time) aorund 1875, she was born in 1869 and died in 1878. She produced one filly and now that line is famous all over the world. Many descendants in Russia and Poland are not asil, but some in France are, like this mare: http://daughterofthewind.org/talawat-la-lizonne-mokhtar-daughter-in-france/

    What stories did your grandmother tell you? can you share them? There are a lot of people around the world who are interested in the history of Ibn Hdayb and Sba’ah because they have horses from his horses, and because the family was famous and important. Do you want to write about them here? ealdahdah@hotmail.om

  14. Hello Edouard,

    Sorry for the late reply.
    That’s really interesting to know about this particular line.

    There are many stories to share, Farhan was one of the most powerful Ibn Hudaib Sheikh,he ruled a big land of Hama desert , over 150-300 villages and had good relationship with the Govs back then.

    His son Barjas was very educated and was close friend to the prime minister of Iraq from Alsadoun family. Barjas once could’ve caused a big issue with the French when one of his men shot an army car by mistake thought that car belong to their rival “Alshalaan” Sheikh of Ruwala from Anizah tribe. He solved the issue in a diplomatic way and my grandmother at that time was 5-6 she only remembers when “Barjes” asked the families to move a bit far right after the incident.

    Saleh was tough and an excellent horse rider and shooter, very tall and most Bedouins fear him, my dad knows him very well. My grandfather was educated, excellent speaker and writer though most of them didn’t know how to read or write, he had stronger influence in the area in general and among other sheikhs tribes and made a strong team with his cousin Saleh though he was 28 years older younger and died at the age of 55.

  15. Wondeful stories, worth a book to be written I am sure. When did the family move to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, where (Ar’ar, Hafr al-Baten?)and do they keep in touch with the old country in Syria? did they take horses with them? who did they give them to? when did they stop owning horses?

  16. My elder uncle moved to Kuwait in the 60s, and my father moved to Kuwait and then eastern province when he was 16. My My grandfather used to visit Riyadh in official occasions to Princes and kings, He died at young age 54 in Kuwait while receiving treatment though he never lived in Kuwait or Saudi. Ar’ar mostly are from “Dahamsha” tribe part of Anizah. the family mostly now in Kuwait and Saudi “Riyadh and eastern region”. We still own lands and some areas such ” Ithriya”, which known among other families and tribes because they recognize other’s lands but now during the war no one would be interested even to claim anything. My grandfather and “Saleh” owned horses till the 50’s and started to sell them for cars, I’m not sure who did they give them to though I heard many Europeans used to come and look for horses and get them as gifts or purchasing them. I can ask some of our old members of the family for more details.

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