Desert-bred Foundation Horses in Okba’s pedigree

By Edouard Aldahdah

Posted on November 5th, 2013 in General

This post builds on the previous one below, about the Tunisian racing stallion Okba (1983-2006). Here is an initial list (in no order) of the desert-bred foundation horses in his pedigree, which I will keep updating as I move on:

1. Dynamite II, ca. 1920 (Hamdani x Tayyara), to Sidi Thabet

2. Tamerlan, a Dahman, to Sidi Thabet, imp. 1910

3. Goutta, to Tiaret, born 1884, imp 1889

4. Cheboub, a Hadban Enzahi born in 1872, to Tiaret

5. Zerga, to Tiaret, born in 1873 sire “Seglawi Regibi”, dam “Chouémé” (Shuwaymah)

6. Ibech, bred by the Sba’ah Bedouins, to Sidi Thabet, born 1891, i,p. 1896

7. Assacoulai, sire of Ould Assacoulai who was born in 1878 at Sidi Thabet

8. Anazaouia, dam of Ould Assacoulai

9. Harami, to Pompadour, imp. 1872-76

10. Dolma Batche, a Jilfa, to Pompadour “from Constantinople”, born in 1869, imp. 1876, chestnut.

11. Khamil, born 1894 imp. to Tiaret in 1898 (with Aziz and Salamie)

12. Ramses II, “from Syria”, sire “Kehelan El-Boulad”; dam “Hamdanie”, to Pompadour in the 1880s

13. Samaria, a Kuhaylah Ajuz, from Khalid Bey al-Assaad, in Taybeh, Lebanon, bought for 8,000 francs, to Pompadour in 1887 by M. de Gaanay, to Sidi Thabet in 1890.

14. Hellal, a Ma’naqi from the Shammar, to Tiaret 1914

15. Salamie, to Tiaret

16. Aziz, to Tiaret

17. Nimrin, Saqlawia Jadrania, to Tiaret

18. Safita, a Kuhaylan al-Khdili, bought by Gen. Detroyat, to Tiaret

19. Ghazi (Arkoubi x Zarifa — both Kuhaylah Ajuz), to Tiaret, imp. 1909 by Insp. Quinchez (with Sidi Gaber)

20. Venture (a Hamdani x a Hamdania), bought from Lebanon, imp to Tiaret in 1895

21. Arisse, Saqlawi, borin in Syria 1870, to Tiaret

22. Wadha, Jilfat Dhawi, bought from the Fadaan Bedouins, to Tiaret

23. Mabrud, to Tiaret

24. Mechta, to Sidi Thabet

25. Mzeirib, mare, to Tiaret

26. Karak Kaifa

27. Sadrazam, to Tarbes (in France) in 1875, a “Sacklawi-Bedawy”

28. Yamouna, mare, to Pompadour, “from a Nedjdi strain”

29. El Managhi, bought from Hama, bought by Gen. Jouannard and Comm. Bardot, to Tiaret

30. Malek, to Tiaret

31. Nasr (Ghatwan x Saqlawia Shaifia), bred by Mohammed Bey Mejalli al-Tahawi, bought from Egypt, to Sidi Thabet

33. Quatre As, Hamdani Simri, imp. to Tiaret 1914 (with Hellal)

34. Sidi Gaber, bought from Egypt, to Tiaret, imp.1909

35. Krali, to Tiaret, Kuahylan Krush, from Syria,

36. Dohendjilar, to Tiaret, imp 1875

37. Cherifa, Shuwaymah Sabbah, bought from the Sba’ah Bedouins, to Tiaret, born in 1869

38. Bango, from the Shammar, born 1923, imp. 1928, to Tiaret, leaves 142 offspring

9 Responses to “Desert-bred Foundation Horses in Okba’s pedigree”

  1. You will probably like this mare as well then http://www.arabians.de/arabians/Pferde/ziona.html, pedigree looks clean at first glance

    Maybe you try to include her as well, a prelude to get tunesian asils accepted by the Asil Club :)

  2. I found this years sales list as well http://www.fnarc.nat.tn/cat_vente2013.pdf, at first glance about a quarter to a third of the horses could still have clean pedigrees but the Manganat’s and Amer’s are also prominent.

    Btw what did the “revolution” do to local horse breeding? Has it been preserved or not? Friends of ours went on vacation to Djerba and said most shops were closed and felt unsafe to wander outside the resort

  3. O would like to invite those who have further information about the above foundation horses to add them to this exchange, so as to facilitate this process.

  4. Patrick, the horse needs to be in the USA to be eligible..

  5. Hello Edouard, You probably have all this information already, but in case it is useful, I have added some info taken from the early French stud books (SBF). Hope it is helpful. I cannot guarantee accuracy either of the information in the studbooks or of my typing. Best wishes.
    1. Dynamite II, ca. 1920 (Hamdani x Tayyara), to Sidi Thabet SBF Volume 21, states “de race Hamdani Simeri”. Imported in 1928, Bay.
    2. Tamerlan, a Dahman, to Sidi Thabet, imp. 1910 Born 1902, imported first to Tiaret, Algeria, with a number of foal crops there until 1915, went on to Tunisia later where his first foal crop was born in 1920. He died in 1921.
    3. Goutta, to Tiaret, born 1884, imp 1889 Chestnut, imported from Syria, SBF Vol 9 states his sire was “Kouheilan-Sabaki” and his dam “Saklaouie-Semri” “de race Kheilan-Agouz”
    4. Cheboub, a Hadban Enzahi born in 1872, to Tiaret imported in 1877. Chestnut. SBF Vol 7 states “de race Hedban-Enzehi”
    5. Zerga, to Tiaret, born in 1873 sire “Seglawi Regibi”, dam “Chouémé” (Shuwaymah) imported in 1877, Grey
    6. Ibech, bred by the Sba’ah Bedouins, to Sidi Thabet, born 1891, i,p. 1896 Imported to Tiaret in 1896. SBF Volume 12 states his sire was “de race Dehiman-El-Aamer” and adds “Tribu de Seba”. Chestnut. Died in 1902.
    7. Assacoulai, sire of Ould Assacoulai who was born in 1878 at Sidi Thabet
    8. Anazaouia, dam of Ould Assacoulai
    9. Harami, to Pompadour, imp. 1872-76 SBF Vol 4 states “de race Obeyan-Cherak-Abou-Gereys de la tribu des Hessenne”. Chestnut.
    10. Dolma Batche, a Jilfa, to Pompadour “from Constantinople”, born in 1869, imp. 1876, chestnut.
    11. Khamil, born 1894 imp. to Tiaret in 1898 (with Aziz and Salamie) To Sidi Thabet in 1898. SBF Vol 13 states his sire & dam were “de race Kehailan-El-Tamiri. De la tribu Bouadjir”. Chestnut. Died in 1906.
    12. Ramses II, “from Syria”, sire “Kehelan El-Boulad”; dam “Hamdanie”, to Pompadour in the 1880s Imported 1887. SBF Vol 8 states “de race Hanseh-Hamdani. Sa mere Hamdanie, son pere, Kehelan-Stam-El-Bulad”
    13. Samaria, a Kuhaylah Ajuz, from Khalid Bey al-Assaad, in Taybeh, Lebanon, bought for 8,000 francs, to Pompadour in 1887 by M. de Gaanay, to Sidi Thabet in 1890.
    14. Hellal, a Ma’naqi from the Shammar, to Tiaret 1914 SBF Vol 17 states his sire was “de race Abian Cherak” and his dam was “de race Maanaki de la tribu des Chammar”. Died in 1925. Bay.
    15. Salamie, to Tiaret Imported in 1898, SBF Vol 13 states his sire and dam were “de race Abeian-Charrag, de la tribue Guemussa”. Chestnut. Died in 1909.
    16. Aziz, to Tiaret Imported in 1898. SBF Vol 13 states his sire was “Hilan, de race Saklaoui-Djedrane” and his dam “Kehela, de race Kahela-Adjouze”. Died in 1910, Grey.
    17. Nimrin, Saqlawia Jadrania, to Tiaret Imported in 1898. SBF Vol 13 states her sire was “Choueiman, race Saklaoui-Djedran” and her dam was “Adour, race Saklaoui-Djedran”. Died in 1912. Chestnut.
    18. Safita, a Kuhaylan al-Khdili, bought by Gen. Detroyat, to Tiaret Imported in 1924, SBF Vol 21 states his sire was “de race Koheilan en Naouak” and his dam “de race Koheilan El Kedilih”. Bay.
    19. Ghazi (Arkoubi x Zarifa — both Kuhaylah Ajuz), to Tiaret, imp. 1909 by Insp. Quinchez (with Sidi Gaber). Died in 1923. Chestnut.
    20. Venture (a Hamdani x a Hamdania), bought from Lebanon, imp to Tiaret in 1895 Born in 1889, died in 1915. SBF Vol 12 states his sire was “Gazelle, race Hamdani” and his dam was “Hamaida”. Hamaida (born 1886) was a bay mare also imported to France from Lebanon in 1895. SBF Vol 11 states her sire was “Gazel” and her dam was “Hasna” “de race Hamdani-Semeri”. Died in 1915. Bay.
    21. Arisse, to Tiaret Imported in 1877. SBF Vol 7 states “de race Saklawi”. Bay.
    22. Wadha, Jilfat Dhawi, bought from the Fadaan Bedouins, to Tiaret Born in 1874, bay, imported in 1877, SBF Vol 7 states “de race Jelfetale-el-Deheoua”
    23. Mabrud, to Tiaret Born 1908, imported in 1915. No further details in SBF Vol 17.
    24. Mechta, to Sidi Thabet Born 1884, imported 1889. SBF Vol 9 states his sire was “de race Abou-Arkoub”, his dam “”Kouheila”. Bay.
    25. M’zeirib, mare, to Tiaret Born 1891, grey, imported 1898. Sire a Kehailan Ajuz, dam a Kehaileh Nawakoeh, from the Shammar tribe.
    26. Karak-Kaifa Born 1894, died 1904. Bay. Imported in 1989 to Tiaret. SBF Vol 13 states his sire and dam were “de race Koheilan-Ajouz”
    27. Sadrazam, to Tarbes (in France) in 1875, a “Sacklawi-Bedawy” Born 1867, grey
    28. Yamouna, mare, to Pompadour, “from a Nedjdi strain” born 1869, grey, imported in 1876, SBF Vol 5 states “de race Nedjdi”
    29. El Managhi, bought from Hama, bought by Gen. Jouannard and Comm. Bardot, to Tiaret Born 1923, chestnut, imported in 1928, SBF Vol 21 states “de race Managhi Sbeili”
    30. Malek, to Tiaret Born 1903, grey, imported in 1909. SBF Vol 16 states his sire was “Khardjan” and his dam was “Nawakieh, de la tribue Rawala”
    31. Nasr (Ghatwan x Saqlawia Shaifia), bred by Mohammed Bey Mejalli al-Tahawi, bought from Egypt, to Sidi Thabet Bay, born 1918, imported in 1929, died in 1938.
    33. Quatre As, Hamdani Simri, imp. to Tiaret 1914 (with Hellal) Chestnut born 1908, imported 1915, SBF Vol 17 states “de la tribu des Ghess, de race Hamdani-Simry”
    34. Sidi Gaber, bought from Egypt, to Tiaret, imp.1909 Grey, born 1902, died 1925, SBF Vol 16 states his sire was “Koheilan Manaak, tribu des Koheilan-Anazes” and his dam was “Nedjia, meme tribu”.
    35. Krali, to Tiaret Chestnut, born 1883. SBF Vol 7 does not give import date, it states “de race Kohelan-Kerouche”. He had only 2 recorded foals, both born in 1893, the chestnut colt Papillon ex Fahema and the bay filly Primevere ex Mabrouka.
    36. Dohendjilar, to Tiaret Grey, year of birth not recorded, name also spelled Dohenjitar and Dohendgilar. Imported in 1876. SBF Vol 9 states hise sire & dam were: “de race Syrienne” and “de race Ouednan-Hersani.
    37. Cherifa, Shuwaymah Sabbah, bought from the Sba’ah Bedouins, to Tiaret, born in 1869 Imported in 1875, bay.

  6. oh, Kina, I am extremely grateful for you to have taken the time to look up, gather and type all this information. I don’t have the SBFAR. Thank you so much!!! :)

  7. You are welcome Edouard, spellings are as in SBF (presumably phonetic Arabic to French?). Just email me if you need anything else, I have photocopies of all the early SBF volumes (equivalent of GSB). I also have all their progeny lists of purebreds, as you know a lot of the Arabian stallions, especially the earlier imports, were also used in their cavalry horses breeding programmes. Best wishes! Kina

  8. 38. Bango, from the Shammar, born 1923, imp. 1928, to Tiaret, leaves 142 offspring Additional info: Died in 1950, grey, strain Managhi Sbeyli, his foals were born between 1930 and 1948.

  9. Thank you. We also know he was bought in Egypt, and that he must have been a close relative to the US import *Mohalhil, from same strain same tribe, born a year apart, and with whom he bore a striking resemblance

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