Comments on: Ferriss article on Hadban stallions; Kaheel, the lost one http://daughterofthewind.org/ferriss-article-on-hadban-stallions-kaheel-the-lost-one/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:58:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bruce Peek http://daughterofthewind.org/ferriss-article-on-hadban-stallions-kaheel-the-lost-one/comment-page-1/#comment-19489 Bruce Peek Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:39:25 +0000 http://daughterofthewind.org/?p=2892#comment-19489 While a working student at Rowes dressage barn I leased a grandson of Ghalii as a training project. His dam was a 7/8ths bred mare. While he didn't move as spectacularly as Deealli( one of his uncles) he developed a very nice extended trot with his back lifted- meaning he moved in true collection.This came about after the Rowes taught me dismounted flexion work- basically Baucherism. Touch of freedom( his name)responded to the flexion, hold, and release method very adeptly, indicating a good and generous disposition. Best wishes Bruce Peek While a working student at Rowes dressage barn I leased a grandson of Ghalii as a training project. His dam was a 7/8ths bred mare. While he didn’t move as spectacularly as Deealli( one of his uncles) he developed a very nice extended trot with his back lifted- meaning he moved in true collection.This came about after the Rowes taught me dismounted flexion work- basically Baucherism. Touch of freedom( his name)responded to the flexion, hold, and release method very adeptly, indicating a good and generous disposition.
Best wishes
Bruce Peek

]]> By: Joe Ferriss http://daughterofthewind.org/ferriss-article-on-hadban-stallions-kaheel-the-lost-one/comment-page-1/#comment-19482 Joe Ferriss Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:28:58 +0000 http://daughterofthewind.org/?p=2892#comment-19482 excuse my poor spelling above. Have not had my first cup of Arabica. excuse my poor spelling above. Have not had my first cup of Arabica.

]]> By: Joe Ferriss http://daughterofthewind.org/ferriss-article-on-hadban-stallions-kaheel-the-lost-one/comment-page-1/#comment-19481 Joe Ferriss Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:27:30 +0000 http://daughterofthewind.org/?p=2892#comment-19481 Hi Bruce, as for Ghalii's success with the excellent mares at MSU I agree with your speculation of the nick with the Crabbet/American/Davenport combination. MSUs foundation was unique in its minimal Skowronek content compared to som other breeders. I am not nocking him, just pointing out his saturation level in much of America's breeding over time. One must not forget that, although Ghalii was a 3/4 brother to Morafic, his powerful dam line is different than that of Morafic. There are 7 crosses to the Blunt's desert bred acquisition Queen of Sheba and she was celebrated for her brilliant movement, a feature which I believe she passes on strongly through her sons Astraled and Ahmar. (also the dark color). In my opinion, El Deree was a great regenerator in the genetic map of Egyptian horses of the time. I liken him to the greatest of Davenport horses and his introduction in the Egyptian lines is equivalent to how the Davenport stock introduced the magic to the cross with Crabbet and American lines here. You need only extend the pedigrees of many of today's international champion popular horses to see how many of them are built upon this Davenport+American imported breeding to see that this magic blend is still there after an entire century. The current reigning popular international champion sire Marwan Al Shaqab has 16 crosses to the wonderful Davenport stallion Hamrah. However the rest of the world wishes to breed its Arabians they need to remember the contribution of the founding Asil stock as a benefit for their purposes. I guess we have our work cut out for us. Hi Bruce, as for Ghalii’s success with the excellent mares at MSU I agree with your speculation of the nick with the Crabbet/American/Davenport combination. MSUs foundation was unique in its minimal Skowronek content compared to som other breeders. I am not nocking him, just pointing out his saturation level in much of America’s breeding over time.

One must not forget that, although Ghalii was a 3/4 brother to Morafic, his powerful dam line is different than that of Morafic. There are 7 crosses to the Blunt’s desert bred acquisition Queen of Sheba and she was celebrated for her brilliant movement, a feature which I believe she passes on strongly through her sons Astraled and Ahmar. (also the dark color). In my opinion, El Deree was a great regenerator in the genetic map of Egyptian horses of the time. I liken him to the greatest of Davenport horses and his introduction in the Egyptian lines is equivalent to how the Davenport stock introduced the magic to the cross with Crabbet and American lines here.

You need only extend the pedigrees of many of today’s international champion popular horses to see how many of them are built upon this Davenport+American imported breeding to see that this magic blend is still there after an entire century. The current reigning popular international champion sire Marwan Al Shaqab has 16 crosses to the wonderful Davenport stallion Hamrah.

However the rest of the world wishes to breed its Arabians they need to remember the contribution of the founding Asil stock as a benefit for their purposes. I guess we have our work cut out for us.

]]> By: Bruce Peek http://daughterofthewind.org/ferriss-article-on-hadban-stallions-kaheel-the-lost-one/comment-page-1/#comment-19461 Bruce Peek Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:21:37 +0000 http://daughterofthewind.org/?p=2892#comment-19461 Joes' article is a good one. He starts out about Ghalii who was so influential at MSU. A lot of his get were fabulous movers with very good minds. I wonder if that was because he was such an outctoss on the predominantly Crabbet and Davenport University mares, or if he was just such a superior horse that most any mare he was bred to would produce a great foal? Best wishes Bruce Peek Joes’ article is a good one. He starts out about Ghalii who was so influential at MSU. A lot of his get were fabulous movers with very good minds. I wonder if that was because he was such an outctoss on the predominantly Crabbet and Davenport University mares, or if he was just such a superior horse that most any mare he was bred to would produce a great foal?
Best wishes
Bruce Peek

]]> By: Jeanne Craver http://daughterofthewind.org/ferriss-article-on-hadban-stallions-kaheel-the-lost-one/comment-page-1/#comment-19459 Jeanne Craver Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:18:52 +0000 http://daughterofthewind.org/?p=2892#comment-19459 The Khamsat magazine that is at the printer now has Part 3 of the article series by Kimberli Nelson on the Hadban strain in the Sheykh Obeyd group. It covers Ashour and Yosr. Some very handsome horses in this breeding group! The Khamsat magazine that is at the printer now has Part 3 of the article series by Kimberli Nelson on the Hadban strain in the Sheykh Obeyd group. It covers Ashour and Yosr. Some very handsome horses in this breeding group!

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