Someone try to explain this to a Bedouin!!

By Joe Achcar

Posted on November 29th, 2008 in General

This paint horse has 99.8% Arabian blood. If he were to be crossed with an Asil mare, the offspring would be a 99.9% Arabian horse, much like more than 95% of all WAHO-accepted horses.

Count  Alexander Dzieduszycki, the president of the Arab Horse Breeding Society of Poland from 1925 to 1945 called such horses “full blooded Arabs”. Now someone try and explain this to a Bedouin!!  

14 Responses to “Someone try to explain this to a Bedouin!!”

  1. The WAHO definition wasn’t created for the Bedouin. It was created for the WAHO member registries in 1974. WAHO literature says the “brightest minds” had “extensive discussion” and “carefully considered” the issue to arrive at a “deceptively simple” definition.

    The WAHO definition is circular: “A Purebred Arabian Horse is one which appears in any Purebred Arabian Horse stud book or register listed by WAHO as acceptable.” In other words, under WAHO rules, a purebred Arabian horse is any Arabian horse that WAHO says is a purebred Arabian horse.

    Circular definitions violate the rules of formal logic, but they can also be useful when a group seeks to end debate viewed as contrary to the interests of an organization.

  2. The problem arises when WAHO started accepting the registries of “cradle countries” (e.g., Syria, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain), where studbooks are a relatively new concept, and where the definition of a pure-bred Arabian is different.

    Breeders in these countries readily accepted all WAHO-registered horses as Asil, since “purebred” and “asil” are synonyms in Arabic. How can you tell these breeders that a pure-bred Arabian is not necessarily Asil? Many people in these countries now feel deceived, and the Asil pool is rapidly dwindling as a result.

  3. …and so it goes…take your place on the great mandala…
    It seems that in general livestock terms the “western” definition of “purebred” can never be synonymous with “Asil” in the context of Bedouin culture. So many other breeds in the western cultures were developed by mixing and blending until about 12-15 generations emerged to what was considered generally “like ancestry” and then became the basis for a breed. So RJ points out that the general western view of “purebred” fits the needs of their organizing scheme. I guess the difference between these two terms purebred and asil explains why there is growing interest in forming an international organization around the “asil” concept.

  4. Amen….

  5. This horse named The cow horse

  6. This horse is not a cow horse. That horse has their own type. This is a Pinto horse. And the pattern of the tobiano is even older than the type of the Arab.

  7. What I think pure man meant to say is that Arabs call this horse “cow horse” because its coat color looks like that of the black and white cows (Dutch cows) that are commonly seen in Arab countries.

  8. Holstein, I believe. They are black and white dairy cattle, and the most common in the US as well.

  9. I will try to post the picture of a Syrian arab horse stabled at my neighbours who have a big white left foot from his hocks until his ankle

  10. Isn’t the sabino gene with big belly spot present in old lines?
    I remember seing the markings on datasource of a grey Davenport mare who was for sale(I believe she was in MD or a neighbouring State) a few years ago and noticing it. I wish my memory could be more precise…

  11. Check out Royal Court Jester’s pedigree here:
    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/royal+court+jester2

  12. About Royal Court Jester pedigree.
    the allbreedpedigree.com is honest
    he stated 99.8% arab blood ,Part-Bred Arab…

  13. Christine,

    There are Davenport Arabians who are double-registered as Pintos. One was the late Memoir UF. I think we all agree the tobiano pattern is not present in the desert Arabian, however.

  14. Sabino gene? Michael Bowling wrote in one of his coat color articles for Arabian Visions, ” ‘Sabino’ is just a descriptive term for one class of particolor patterns (extensive leg and facial markings with roaning and white on the body); there is no study of ‘sabino genetics’ or a ‘sabino gene’ available to be discussed.”

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