Mayssa, asil Kuhaylah Nawwaqiyah mare with the Tahawi in Egypt

By Yasser Ghanem

Posted on September 28th, 2011 in General

Another of the handful of remaining asil Tahawi mares in Egypt is Mayssa, of the Kuhaylan al-Nawwaq strain, tracing to a marbat from the Sba’ah tribe. Mayssa belongs to Mrs. Helga al-Tahawi, the German wife of the late Sheykh Soliman al-Tahawi. Mrs. Helga is on the far left of the picture with Yehia, Sheykh Soliman’s nephew, and otherwise a breeder of registered (WAHO, EAO) Straight Egpytian Tahawi horses from the three Hamdan lines.

Mayssa is not registered but is very asil. Forgive the quality of the photo please, and try to look at the mare itself.


21 Responses to “Mayssa, asil Kuhaylah Nawwaqiyah mare with the Tahawi in Egypt”

  1. These are real HORESMEN’S (or women’s ) horses. One rarely see’s hind quarters like that anymore.
    More please ?

  2. Cathy: You are absolutely right! The muscling on the back of her thigh goes incredibly deep into the gaskin.( makes them stronger) I’ll bet she’s a fabulous mover. I cannot think of Arabians anywhere that are as deeply muscled as she is. When horses of this quality and desert provenance are not able to be registered there is something wrong with the registry.
    Best Wishes
    Bruce Peek

  3. Dear Cathy and Bruce,

    This beautiful mare and the one you saw earlier are two of 10-15 mares we have today in 2011. You can imagine that there were hundreds of these horses some 20-30 years ago of equal quality and bigger variety of rare strains! We have some amazing photos for those horses .. a very very sad story!!

  4. She is much nicer as the previous mare, very pretty indeed!

    @cathy: doubt that she’s owned by real horsemen or woman, real horsemen would be ashamed to publish pictures of a horse with such unkept feet as this mare. Asil & registered or not, … no reason to call your farrier on time if you can’t do it yourself.

  5. Patrick, feet can be trimmed up AND polished too if that is what you look for, but nobody can put a rear end on a horse like that except God.

  6. Correction: Yasser tells me this is Farida, and Mayssa is her dam, whose photo he will be showing soon. My mistake, as I am publishing these photos on behalf of Yasser.

  7. Dear Patrick in a public forum it is often more effective to phrase a direct criticism less bluntly, lest we unknowlingly hurt the feelings of someone else who is most likely doing the best they can with what they have.
    best wishes
    Bruce Peek

  8. Patrick has his own direct style .. also traditional middle eastern breeders (I am not talking about western-run studs in the Gulf) just don’t trim feet..

  9. Shukran Yasser for sharing these lovely mares photos.
    They have excellent desert bred confirmation, type and beauty. It is a great accomplishment to see them survive as Asil horses until today. I hope you can find them an Asil stallion with the same quality as they are.

  10. O.K.. The feature that just jumps out at you in Faridas’ picture is her depth of thigh. Recall sometime back Eduoard showed those pictures of the highly thoroughbredised so called racing arabs owned by a wealthy race horse owner. They had similar depth of muscling in the back of their thighs- but- their muscles were rounder and more quarter horse like- fast twitch muscles for sprint speed. In fact Nasrula the thoroughbred is known for stamping that kind of hindend on his get. To me Farida has athletic depth of thigh as well, but you can see her muscling is visibly different longer stringier fibers more suitable for working over a longer period of time, slow twitch endurance muscles. And since she probably has more muscle mass overall for her size I’d be willing to bet she would really shine in athletic pursuits that demand high degrees of collection.
    best wishes
    Bruce Peek

  11. @Bruce: “who is most likely doing the best they can with what they have” You must be kidding! We have just rescued a shettie with feet of 20 cm that couldn’t walk anymore, had to carry him on the trailer. Excuse of the guy was that he was too old to do something about it – right, as if he’s too old to call a farier. If you respect your horses, you see that they don’t suffer. You’re not going to tell me this mare is still running around comfortably as before. Maybe there was another reason besides pedigrees & politics that WAHO didn’t want anything to do with the Tahawis, if I were a WAHO inspector I would go in discussion with them first about horsekeeping rather then pedigrees.

    @Edouard: I imagine the traditional breeders ride their horses enough not to trim their feet. I recall the disgust of the Blunts about untrimmed feet from irregulary ridden mares when visiting the stables of Raschid during their visit in Nejd as well. I think if you look at the pictures that Matthias Oster took of Nejd Stud, which I understand falls rather under the definition of a traditional breeder, I remember that feet were in good condition. In fact I don’t recall having seen any pictures from horses in Iraq, Syria & Saudi Arabia with ‘traditional breeders’ on this blog with such unkept feet. Les excuses ne sont pas faites pour s’en servir.

  12. I agree that good horsemanship and management practices are most important to the health and well-being of these magnificent creatures, and I understand that people who have experience with neglected horses may be particularly sensitive to these issues.

    For my own part, though, I would hesitate to generalize or make too many inferences from a single photograph.

  13. Many many years ago I visited the Tahawys with Erika Schiele and Bernd Radke. Their horses remind me the Ayerza Horses from Argentina we had in that time in Chile. Arabian Horses!! No good for show, but good for riding!!

  14. This mare is obviously well fed. Somebody cares about her. Maybe these old eyes are growing dim, but if it were not for Patrick, who is obviously and by his own admission a real horseman, I would not have noticed that it is past time to trim her front feet. On my monitor, the hoof is less than 1/8 inch. But after looking closely, I see that indeed, in an ideal world, the farrier would have been called some time ago. Assuming there is a local farrier.

    Nevertheless, this mare is hardly crippled or in danger, so I don’t understand the point of comparison to a shettie with feet so overgrown that it couldn’t walk anymore.

  15. I do not understand the WAHO.
    Why all these horses are not recognized?
    Why only three mares?
    What about the mare Bint Nafaa?
    Her last Asil’s representatives in Germany are:
    Chira of Saymoon, from the descendants Cylia = No
    Ghuwey of Fardoss Moussah from Cylia = No descendants.

  16. Thanks R.J. !

    Edouard would not have posted the photo if found inappropriate.

    I have often let mares feet go just to see how they will wear. Most mares wear even and their foals. The seasons dictate the wear. A good horseman needs to know the feet of their horses and not what a good farrier can do. To short of feet leads, at least here in the mountains, too lameness.

    I do let my mares feet wear as if proving to me they are sound. I can trim or shoe, and have, and do. My daughter is expected to lift the foals feet, constantly. They just think of it as a game.

    A show horse is not the same, they are treated different.
    The mare shown as R.J. said is well feed and shows health. Thank goodness, not pulling a cart, or lost to the world of Asil breeding.

    Needless, I am not going home tonight and trim. I will notice how they are wearing. Smile and remember what is being said. The main point is, I will enjoy these horses, and know the blessings of being apart of their gifts too I and others. Asil Arabians in Egypt. Edouard making his statements of delight, Tahawi Arabians, alive! Perhaps
    what, is really said, can be listened.

    Blessings, JMH/Bedouin Arabians

  17. @R.J. Cadranell: never said I was a “real horseman”, my reaction was to Cathy Rochon who said the mare was owned by a real horseman or woman. The shettie we rescued was also well-fed. As for your comment on cripple, I’m pretty sure the mare is not able to keep up a trot or gallop anymore. Anyway, she’s looks like a very lovely mare but the “asility” is not a reason to forget she’s just a horse and especially is she’s valuable she should receive the proper care she deserves.

    Yep, she’s probably a true horseman’s horse but obviously in wrong hands. If you can’t handle comments, don’t post a picture like that.

    I’m amazed by many horses I see on this blog, with pedigrees and from sources completely new to me but I’m not going to oooh and aaah just because it’s an asil pedigree.

  18. Really a shame that one cannot look at the beauty of this mare for herself. I would take a mare like this in a second and at least, unlike many many many US horses which I see have regular hoof care, in the Arabian Horse Shows, she does not have wedges, pads and shoes with clips and weighing in at 17 oz. Hoof and farrier care is a worthwhile subject, but I think one should look at the mare for herself.

    And, I do consider myself as a real horseman.

  19. Thanks everybody for all your comments.

    Regarding the hooves, this mare is allowed to wake freely in big court of soft ground (sand). She has no walking problem. The Farrier is invited at a longer frequency than in other places of harder ground.

  20. Actually Patrick, what I said was, that this iS A REAL hORSEMAN’S (OR WOMAN’S) HORSE….meaning, a horse that any real horseman would be very proud to own, including me. Sure, she could stand a trim, but she is obviously standing comfortably and has no real foot issues.In my opinion, it does not take away from the quality of this mare in the least bit.

  21. I agree, Cathy. I find it a shame, with Lorriee, that feet being a wee tad longer than Patrick would like is causing this much heartburn. A lovely mare indeed, and I get she can trot and canter with the best of them!

    The ones I can’t imagine moving, let alone freely, are the horses with pads and weighted shoes, and even they manage to move right out, poor things!

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