Daughter of the Wind: Edouard Al-Dahdah’s blog on desert arabian horses, past and present

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1. jewel and abu Said:
   August 28th, 2008 7:20 pm

   A lovely blog!! I own an Arab and we compete in the Open Side of Dressage. My guy looks nothing like the photos you have, although I am told he has excellent blood lines. Lets say we would most likely be thrown out of the ring at a breed show. I have been told that he is more like the old style (what ever that means) more bone, wider chest, larger haunches etc.
   Very intersting reading. thank you

2. Edouard Said:
   August 29th, 2008 10:39 am

   Thanks for the kind words! Glad you enjoy it. Please tell your friends about it.. The ring is not everything. A good Arabian is first and foremost an Arabian you can ride..

3. Joe Achcar Said:
   September 4th, 2008 7:48 am

   This a copy of an e-mail sent by Dr Khadija Idriss head of the Tunisian stud-book in 2004.
   It shows that “Barr”1942 was imported fromSyria or Lebanon.
   In these countries there is no Barb horses.Hansi Hech-Melnyk in her book “the Pindex” shows an exhibit page 563 showing “Barr” under Etalons Barbes (Barbes Stallions) taken fron the FRSB XXVIII/P.41.It is the same stallion apearing in Dr.Idriss’s list : same birth place same birth date.
   Interesting problem!!Who should we believe?

   LISTE DES CHEVAUX AR DONT SUFFIXE
   PAYS ETRANGER’OR’ ‘LB’ ‘SY’

   * Nom Cheval * Nais * Sexe*

   **************************************
   * AZEM SY * 1918* M *
   * BANGO OR * * M *
   * BARR OR * 1942* M *
   * CHEIKH EL OURBANE OR* 1940* M *
   * DYNAMITE II OR * * M *
   * EL MANAGHI OR * * M *
   * EL OBAYAN OR * * M *
   * EMTAYRA OR * 1938* F *
   * HELLAL OR * 1907* M *
   * IBISCH OR * * M *
   * LATIF OR * 1903* M *
   * MALEK OR * 1903* M *
   * MANSOURAH OR * * F *
   * MASBOUT OR * * M *
   * NASR OR * * M *
   * QUATRE AS OR * 1908* M *
   * SALAMIE OR * * M *
   * TAMERLAN OR * * M *
   N.B :
   SY : Syrie
   OR : Orient, peut être Syrie ou Liban
   Pour tous ces chevaux ascendant de plusieurs lignés de pur sang arabe en
   Tunisie.Nous n’avons pas leurs pères et mères, ils apparaissent dans les
   pedigrees des chevaux Tunisiens en dernière position .
   Restant à votre disposition pour toute information utile, je vous
   souhaite bonne réception.
   Dr Khadija DRISS
   Responsable de Stud Book

   Syrian Arab Horse Association
   Tel:00 963 11 2135401
   Fax : 00 963 11 2135403.P.O.BOX: 31815
   Damascus Syria

4. joe achcar Said:
   September 21st, 2008 7:30 pm

   Thsi is Hansi Melnyck reply in a private mail to “Barr” origins,

   Dear Joe
   thank you so much for your rely. Please let me tell you that I have an “Open Mind” and records from reliable sources are important to me. It is possible that no “Barb” went into the countries you mentioned, but would have to be proven.It is difficult for me to accept the fact that the French stud books for a decade made continuos errors, stating that “Barr” is a Barb and suddenly out of the blue data comes about to correct this. the French have always been in my opinion highly accurate in their publications. It also bothers me that nobody ever corrected them until so many years later and it took my “Pindex” to get the ball rolling. I gave a copy of my Pindex in 1994 to Tunisian delegate, and I never heard one complaint. I will be in Oman at the WAHO meeting and may be, if you like, we can discuss this matter further. Have a wonderful day
   Hansi
   Serenity Arabian Farms

5. Edouard Said:
   September 21st, 2008 10:14 pm

   I have a silly question for you: do you think there is a chance the French took “Barr” to mean “Barb”? Only one letter difference.. What would a Barb horse be doing in the Middle East?

6. Joe Achcar Said:
   September 22nd, 2008 6:42 am

   This exactly what I wrote to Hansi,we never had any Barb breeding in the ME.Unless,”Barr” was one of the Spahi horses “:During the 1920s mounted Spahi regiments saw extensive active service in the French mandated territories of Syria and Lebanon, as well as in Morocco”"Wikipedia.
   –If he was a Barb and come together with the French forces he must have been such an outstanding horse to be brought back again by the French remount to Tunisia….
   Despite the fact that the French remount opend army remount studs in Lebanon and Syria and bought Arabian stallions for this purpose ,some of them are pictured in The Raswan Index.
   “Barr” according to the Tunisian Stud Book was born in 1942 in the Orient,so he could not have been imported by the “Spahi”‘forces from North Africa.Unless he was born in Syria from a Barb stallion and a Syrian mare ,in this case why the French Remount bought Arab Stallions they might have used imported Barb stallions.

   In my opinion “Barr”was used to create Arabe-Barbe horses,maybe that’s why he was under barbe.

7. Edouard Said:
   September 22nd, 2008 10:02 am

   You’re right, I personally think it’s just an administrative mistake and that someone put him in the wrong studbook under Barb. Unfortunately, I can’t prove this hypothesis. We need his hujjah.

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