Comments on: Photo of the day: Shams al-Ghurub

By: Edouard

Edouard — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:07:44 +0000

No you’re right.. I will edit the comment above

By: Joe Achcar

Joe Achcar — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:40:38 +0000

I’m in Beirut for the Moslem holidays ,my Library is in my stables in Damascus ,but I remember that the Dam of “Al Kahira” Basil’s Shuewyma black mare famous in all Syria is “Obeirah” not Hakaya” maybe I’m wrong…..

By: Edouard

Edouard — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:44:01 +0000

Hakaya the old mare of the Tai tribe was indeed the queen at Shaykh Mohammad’s in al-Qamishli. I will post a picture of Hakaya.

By: Joe Ferriss

Joe Ferriss — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:46:02 +0000

The above I am referring to is the old black mare with the Tai tribe, the mother of Basil’s mare.

By: Joe Ferriss

Joe Ferriss — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:44:09 +0000

thanks Joe (Achcar) for telling me more about that wonderful black Shuwamah Al Kahera. I have just one photo of her tethered near a large mound of barley straw, but she was a very impressive mare. All the other younger mares would come around to check in on her as if she was the reigning queen. She just radiated the most dignity. She had the most beautiful eyes and expression and also of excellent quality. I could see why she would produce horses of speed and endurance with her excellent legs and long shoulders.

By: joe achcar

joe achcar — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:48:45 +0000

exact,but the mare joe Feriss was talking about is “al kahera”,it is the only black Shueyema Basil had (Al Kahera died month ago)

By: Edouard

Edouard — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:36:39 +0000

All the Shuwayman horses Joe (Achcar) is talking about are from a different branch than Shams al-Ghurub. They are from the Sharabin tribe, and originally belonged to Mohammad al-Rahbi of Shammar. It’s not the same family as those bred by the Jarba leading family of Shammar.

By: Joe Achcar

Joe Achcar — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:00:50 +0000

Hi Joe
the black mare tou saw at Basil”s in 96 is “Al Kahira” she is the daughter of “Obeida”.
This si a vey strong family this “Sheuyman’s” branch being in great demand.
“Al Khaira”gave the Stallion “Sueidan” who is doing very well both in conformation and racing.her self was many times a winner in National Shows.
“Al Kahira” brother from “Obeida” is “Al Kahlidy” one of Syria’s most famous race horse and stallion ,winning from 1600mt to 60 Km races only his sons and his full sister “I’itidal” could beat him.
“I’tidal is the dam of my stallion “Al Bark” who for his second breeding season is already in great demand.(he sired 21 nares this season)

By: Edouard

Edouard — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:33:20 +0000

~~No, they're not the same mares, but they are closely related to each other.~~ Shams al-Ghurub is a daughter of Hakayah, the old black mare you saw with the Tai. The Mokhtar daughter at Basil's is a drand-daughter of the old black mare, out of Shams al-Ghurub's sister Rajiah.

By: Joe Ferriss

Joe Ferriss — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:47:21 +0000

Thanks Edouard for posting the picture Shams al-Ghurub. I am wondering if she is from the same mare line that I so much admired at Basil Jadaan’s in 1996. Basil had a lovely black Shuwaymah Sabbah mare sired by Mokhtar, who I believe he said was out of the old black Shuwaymah mare that I later saw at the Tai. At Basil’s there was also a young dark chestnut mare of this strain whose name was Fozah. Are these mares at Basil’s from the same Shuwaymah as Shams al-Ghurub?