Comments on: Re: endless dilemma http://daughterofthewind.org/re-endless-dilemma/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:59:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Enver Ziga http://daughterofthewind.org/re-endless-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-174001 Enver Ziga Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:54:01 +0000 http://daughterofthewind.org/?p=2812#comment-174001 With plenty delay I hava read text „RE: endless dilemma“ written by Mr. Hazaim. For me text is very interesting and, what is especially important written by one Arab. I possess a lot of books about Arabian horses, bat written by people from west contries and USA, and I have feeling that Authors did not completely understood way of life Beduins, their philosophy of life, their customs, relationship with horses etc. For that reason with maximum attention I have read all texts written by Mr. Hazaim. Texst „endless dilemma“ mainly I understand and this text is largely confirmed by the fact that I knew well before. In Bosnia we began to breed Arabian horses 1895th when was founded the state stud farm in Sarajevo. Between 1895.and 1905.year on the Middle East has been sent five delegations with the aim to buy Arabian horses for stud. In total was bought 27 original desert mares and an unknown number of stallions. In the book of breeding stallions was registrated 11 desert horses. Breeding stallion from Syria desert were: Kohejlan Abou Argoub, 1886. From Beni Sacher, Massud, 1889. From Beni Sacher, Maneghie Abaali, 1890. , Simhan, 1891. From Beduin Fajahi, Ferhan En Nedjd, 1893. From Roala, O'Bajan Esh Sheraky, 1890. From Anaze EL Sbaa, Shehun 1900. From Khelan Kruz, Meshur, 1901. From Hamdani Semri, Gazal , 1903. From Hamdani Semri, and El Hafi from Hamdani Semri. Breeding mare from Syria were: Hadbe, 1890.; Maneghie; Gidran, Hamda Esamra El Nedjd, 1890.; Shararije; Nidzme and Bent Abou Gerios. Probably some of this namas are wrong eritten. Report of each delegation said that the Bedouins are not given any written pedigree, but that their words and shake hands have value as each contract. All what Bedouins say about horses is 100% correct and nobody check it. We have not more information about these horses, if mr. Hazaim od somebody else have we would be grateful. Bat the main reason of this writing are not new data about horses purchased more than 100 years. We have wonderful horses and are very proud. I personally have a great desire to arrange one turist trip to Syeia and spend a few days in desert with Bedouins, of course if it is possible. If somebody from this forum have some ideas or can give me suggestion or contact person, it will be nice. Best regards for all lovers Syrian Arabians. Enver Z. With plenty delay I hava read text „RE: endless dilemma“ written by Mr. Hazaim. For me text is very interesting and, what is especially important written by one Arab. I possess a lot of books about Arabian horses, bat written by people from west contries and USA, and I have feeling that Authors did not completely understood way of life Beduins, their philosophy of life, their customs, relationship with horses etc. For that reason with maximum attention I have read all texts written by Mr. Hazaim. Texst „endless dilemma“ mainly I understand and this text is largely confirmed by the fact that I knew well before. In Bosnia we began to breed Arabian horses 1895th when was founded the state stud farm in Sarajevo. Between 1895.and 1905.year on the Middle East has been sent five delegations with the aim to buy Arabian horses for stud. In total was bought 27 original desert mares and an unknown number of stallions. In the book of breeding stallions was registrated 11 desert horses. Breeding stallion from Syria desert were: Kohejlan Abou Argoub, 1886. From Beni Sacher, Massud, 1889. From Beni Sacher, Maneghie Abaali, 1890. , Simhan, 1891. From Beduin Fajahi, Ferhan En Nedjd, 1893. From Roala, O’Bajan Esh Sheraky, 1890. From Anaze EL Sbaa, Shehun 1900. From Khelan Kruz, Meshur, 1901. From Hamdani Semri, Gazal , 1903. From Hamdani Semri, and El Hafi from Hamdani Semri. Breeding mare from Syria were: Hadbe, 1890.; Maneghie; Gidran, Hamda Esamra El Nedjd, 1890.; Shararije; Nidzme and Bent Abou Gerios. Probably some of this namas are wrong eritten. Report of each delegation said that the Bedouins are not given any written pedigree, but that their words and shake hands have value as each contract. All what Bedouins say about horses is 100% correct and nobody check it. We have not more information about these horses, if mr. Hazaim od somebody else have we would be grateful. Bat the main reason of this writing are not new data about horses purchased more than 100 years. We have wonderful horses and are very proud. I personally have a great desire to arrange one turist trip to Syeia and spend a few days in desert with Bedouins, of course if it is possible. If somebody from this forum have some ideas or can give me suggestion or contact person, it will be nice.
Best regards for all lovers Syrian Arabians. Enver Z.

]]> By: Bruce Peek http://daughterofthewind.org/re-endless-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-18695 Bruce Peek Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:54:53 +0000 http://daughterofthewind.org/?p=2812#comment-18695 He also seems to be making veiled threats,' If I were you I would take your Dads advice he is well regarded,'. In apparent reference to your fathers instruction that its better to keep quiet when you know certain horses are likely to be impure if they are connected to the local geopolitical bullies. Well if everybody else is afraid to say it, I am not, because for the sake of true discussion, clarity and respect for the good work that the pillars of the arabin horse community have done it needs to be said. If you know some horses have questionable backgrounds let the facts speak for themselves. For the sake of the breed its better to ,'out,' that knowledge than to cover it up like the Polish Breeders did with Skowronek. Honor and integrity can be a two edged sword. Best wishes Bruce Peek He also seems to be making veiled threats,’ If I were you I would take your Dads advice he is well regarded,’. In apparent reference to your fathers instruction that its better to keep quiet when you know certain horses are likely to be impure if they are connected to the local geopolitical bullies.
Well if everybody else is afraid to say it, I am not, because for the sake of true discussion, clarity and respect for the good work that the pillars of the arabin horse community have done it needs to be said. If you know some horses have questionable backgrounds let the facts speak for themselves. For the sake of the breed its better to ,’out,’ that knowledge than to cover it up like the Polish Breeders did with Skowronek. Honor and integrity can be a two edged sword.
Best wishes
Bruce Peek

]]> By: Edouard http://daughterofthewind.org/re-endless-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-18562 Edouard Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:40:10 +0000 http://daughterofthewind.org/?p=2812#comment-18562 Yes he is angry. But I did not give wrong information. So far I have given only positive information about the Syrian horses on this blog. Information which is otherwise verifiable. He thinks that the negative information which I have with me and which I have not given yet on this blog is just rumors. This is contradictory, because, as he says above, he is the source of such information. Yes he is angry. But I did not give wrong information. So far I have given only positive information about the Syrian horses on this blog. Information which is otherwise verifiable.

He thinks that the negative information which I have with me and which I have not given yet on this blog is just rumors. This is contradictory, because, as he says above, he is the source of such information.

]]> By: pierre lafourcade http://daughterofthewind.org/re-endless-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-18537 pierre lafourcade Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:38:42 +0000 http://daughterofthewind.org/?p=2812#comment-18537 ""it is not fair to accuse horses from being non Asil specially we are the source of your information, and if your judgement based on one man who has long passed away and he was a horse dealer we can still help you and put you out of your dilemma and give you any information you want about any horse you think it is not legitimate."" after reading this part of Dr Hazaim Alwair letter ,it seems that, according to him,somwhere you gave wrong informations on some horses.The man seems angry. “”it is not fair to accuse horses from being non Asil specially we are the source of your information, and if your judgement based on one man who has long passed away and he was a horse dealer we can still help you and put you out of your dilemma and give you any information you want about any horse you think it is not legitimate.”"
after reading this part of Dr Hazaim Alwair letter ,it seems that, according to him,somwhere you gave wrong informations on some horses.The man seems angry.

]]> By: Elena Latici http://daughterofthewind.org/re-endless-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-18513 Elena Latici Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:55:51 +0000 http://daughterofthewind.org/?p=2812#comment-18513 Dr Hazaim Alwair said it better: >>so I bought the man’s word before the horse.>> Elena Dr Hazaim Alwair said it better:

>>so I bought the man’s word before the horse.>>

Elena

]]> By: Elena Latici http://daughterofthewind.org/re-endless-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-18511 Elena Latici Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:37:01 +0000 http://daughterofthewind.org/?p=2812#comment-18511 Hi Edouard, I will have to re-read this long letter from the Dr. at least 2 more times in order to understand it better. That said, I have been mulling over very seriously your endless dilemma since you first posted it. I thought I had finally arrived at a decent response, though long-winded, that involved genuine works of art vs. forgeries. However, after reading al volo this post I have a simpler answer. I bought Murad Mandour because (1) I had your word on the breeder (Louis) and (2) because when I met Louis I had an instinctive trust--also connected to you. Your word meant everything to me. And I was right to trust you. A "word" such as yours, based as it is not only on honesty and integrity but reams of information and scholarship has a value that cannot ever be calculated in this world. So.....bearing in mind the very sage warning of Jeanne Craver who said "First protect yourself and your family," it would be a great loss should you ever start second-guessing yourself. The horse world is nuts and can be dangerous. I think we all know that here. I am more grateful to you than I can express. Hi Edouard,

I will have to re-read this long letter from the Dr. at least 2 more times in order to understand it better.

That said, I have been mulling over very seriously your endless dilemma since you first posted it. I thought I had finally arrived at a decent response, though long-winded, that involved genuine works of art vs. forgeries.

However, after reading al volo this post I have a simpler answer.

I bought Murad Mandour because (1) I had your word on the breeder (Louis) and (2) because when I met Louis I had an instinctive trust–also connected to you.

Your word meant everything to me. And I was right to trust you. A “word” such as yours, based as it is not only on honesty and integrity but reams of information and scholarship has a value that cannot ever be calculated in this world.

So…..bearing in mind the very sage warning of Jeanne Craver who said “First protect yourself and your family,” it would be a great loss should you ever start second-guessing yourself.

The horse world is nuts and can be dangerous. I think we all know that here.

I am more grateful to you than I can express.

]]> By: Edouard http://daughterofthewind.org/re-endless-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-18509 Edouard Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:02:08 +0000 http://daughterofthewind.org/?p=2812#comment-18509 he is a good guy.. he knows the origins and pedigrees of the Syrian horses well and cares about them. he knows the old people of the horses well. he knows how to ask the right questions to the right people, and is not afraid of telling the truth. that's how i know him but i have not been in touch with him for a year now. but he is also very proud of his country, its culture and its horses and does not like it when "dirty laundry is washed outside the household" more on the mare later. he is a good guy..

he knows the origins and pedigrees of the Syrian horses well and cares about them. he knows the old people of the horses well. he knows how to ask the right questions to the right people, and is not afraid of telling the truth. that’s how i know him but i have not been in touch with him for a year now.

but he is also very proud of his country, its culture and its horses and does not like it when “dirty laundry is washed outside the household”

more on the mare later.

]]> By: pierre lafourcade http://daughterofthewind.org/re-endless-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-18491 pierre lafourcade Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:26:06 +0000 http://daughterofthewind.org/?p=2812#comment-18491 what are the qualifications of Dr Hazaim Alwair in the Asil Arab horse field,and who is this " mare in the stud book which her sons and daughters all over the place"? what are the qualifications of Dr Hazaim Alwair in the Asil Arab horse field,and who is this ” mare in the stud book which her sons and daughters all over the place”?

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