Comments on: Sa’ud horses in the Inshass stud of Egypt

By: Teymur B

Teymur B — Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:09:07 +0000

Strange…about Hind (Inshass)
In the German Studbook is listen:
http://www.araberzuchtverband.de/Zuchtbuch/20090214/Online/anzeige.php?Index=18041

Hind 1.8. 1942 by Obeyan Sherrak out of Saqlawiyah Sheifiah

By: Pure man

Pure man — Fri, 15 May 2009 21:28:33 +0000

Nayif al-Daydab al-Anazi I know that only

By: Edouard

Edouard — Tue, 12 May 2009 17:03:46 +0000

Which Anazah? The reference to Nayif al-Dabdab al-Anazi in the book of Abdallah al-Bassam may be wrong spelling. Maybe it’s al-Daydab.

BUT, the Mutayr website, has Ibn Dabdab as a Shaykh of the Maqalidah clan (fakhd) of the Al Jublan of Mutayr. And in the Abbas Pasha Manuscript, there are several references to the strain of Sa’dan with the Mutayr tribe. So maybe Sa’dat al-Dabdab is from Mutayr. This is a question for you pure man.

By: Pure man

Pure man — Tue, 12 May 2009 16:38:44 +0000

al-Debdab is Sheikh from anzeh
Was in Saudi Arabia Many horses from thes strain (sadan el Debdabani)Before One Hundred years ago

By: Edouard

Edouard — Tue, 12 May 2009 14:24:31 +0000

Tawjan is indeed another spelling for Tuqan. Tawjan = Tawgan = Tawqan. The remaining discrepancy is accounted for by vowelling. Never head of any of the others.

By: R.J. Cadranell

R.J. Cadranell — Tue, 12 May 2009 06:21:11 +0000

W.R. Brown in “The Horse of the Desert” lists also Sa’dan Hawb and Sa’dan Tawjan (is Tawjan another spelling for Tuqan?). The Raswan Index has Sa’dan Hirsh and Sa’dan Ibn Shara’i. I don’t remember ever seeing any other references to these strains.

By: Pure man

Pure man — Sat, 09 May 2009 19:11:08 +0000

sadan el Debdab it is Before One Hundred years ago

By: Edouard

Edouard — Fri, 08 May 2009 16:36:14 +0000

I only know three Sa’dan strains: Sa’d al-Tuqan, Sa’d al-Hassun, and Sa’d al-Nahr. I don’t know Sa’d al-Debdab.. Al-Debdab must be the name of a man..

By: Pure man

Pure man — Fri, 08 May 2009 16:25:24 +0000

the Reasons is Revolutionaries they Hate the King of Egypt and they Destroyed The properties of the King Anything related Even Horses and document

By: Pure man

Pure man — Fri, 08 May 2009 14:53:26 +0000

Sa’adaa El Debdab is strain

or sadan el Debdab or dbani

Sa’adaa for Female

sadan for male

By: Tzviah Idan

Tzviah Idan — Wed, 06 May 2009 09:27:28 +0000

Thanks, Edouard, Joe, Pure Man,
Looking forward to seeing the summary of this information. Also, Edouard, if you could perhaps translate into English some of Pure Man’s comments from his native Arabic. I find it difficult to follow some of his comments. Wish my Arabic was adequate to read and understand the original.
Tzviah

By: Edouard

Edouard — Mon, 04 May 2009 21:49:51 +0000

This is indeed very interesting. I will summarize the information from pure man and reproduce it in a separate post, for everyone’s benefit.

By: Jeanne Craver

Jeanne Craver — Mon, 04 May 2009 16:31:35 +0000

This is very interesting material, and I hope Edouard is able to help us with translations of these Arabic documents. In his spare time, of course! Thank you for the information!

By: Joe Ferriss

Joe Ferriss — Mon, 04 May 2009 13:55:30 +0000

Edouard, the dam of Mabrouk, no. 6 on my list in the Inshass stud book as “Sowaytia Ben Kowyd.”

Pure Man, thank you for your input. I will have more questions for you in the future.

By: Pure man

Pure man — Mon, 04 May 2009 12:39:38 +0000

Joe If you made Law for stallion for breeding

Not any stallion for breeding Because To maintain asil Horses forever

Thus Was Bedouin Man doing To maintain the asil Horses for Long Time
Now the People Flopped and Destroy Pure Blood . the Problem It comes from stallion .

Thes paper for Abbas Pasha for strains can his stallion breed and strains can not breed her stallion.

http://up3.m5zn.com/photo/2009/5/4/05/c8f8amlge.jpg/jpg

By: Pure man

Pure man — Mon, 04 May 2009 11:18:42 +0000

Mabrouk is Pure because Recorded Sowaytia Ben Kowyd

Ben Kowyd They good owners and They Have Pure Arabian horses .Ben Kowyd her horses
Unregistered in waho and There are many

By: Pure man

Pure man — Mon, 04 May 2009 11:03:26 +0000

see the Zahra bedigree of the stallion it was in Saudi Arabia her 3rd dem 8. Mabrouka
http://up3.m5zn.com/photo/2009/5/4/03/11zci8fea.jpg/jpg

By: Pure man

Pure man — Mon, 04 May 2009 10:31:00 +0000

I accept Most the Arabian horses but Some I am not accept like 6.7.12

By: Pure man

Pure man — Mon, 04 May 2009 07:50:22 +0000

Are you saying that ?? is giving a weak strain .

Joe I did not say This and I mean all the Bedouin gift him horses Of all kind strains and he Is not maintained a weak strain .Only Maintain the Pure horses

King Saud Was Have two places

on place for Pure Arabian horses asil and Pure stallions

Another place for Arabian horses thes gifts Bedouin like Managi and any mare Generate a colt There is on butcher for these a colts Only Because they Afraid in the future no mistakes and no One breeding colt

By: Pure man

Pure man — Mon, 04 May 2009 07:13:23 +0000

a famous horses Ben Kowyd Sheikh of Dosari Tribe

Saqlawiyah Ben Kowyd

By: Pure man

Pure man — Mon, 04 May 2009 07:09:17 +0000

Some gifts from najd horses it is Pure

Some from Originally Iraq like Sa’adaa El Debdab

By: Pure man

Pure man — Mon, 04 May 2009 06:59:13 +0000

Ben Kowyd Sheikh of Dosari Tribe
a famous horse owner

By: Edouard

Edouard — Mon, 04 May 2009 04:17:27 +0000

Joe, can you check if No. 10 is Sowaitiayt Ben Kowyd or Ben Kowayel? I think the Inshass Book and Pearson spell it differently.. but not sure.

By: Joe Ferriss

Joe Ferriss — Mon, 04 May 2009 03:55:01 +0000

Edouard, number 2, El Obeya Om Geris, is the dam of El Shahbaa the root mare of the Hafiza and Hanan Abayyan Om Jurays line in Egyptian breeding. She is not a separate entry in the Inshass Stud book but Colin Pearson cites that she was from King Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud. El Shahbaa is listed as being purchased from El Hag Mohamed Ibrahim (Cairo) in the Inshass stud book. Her sire is El Hamdani El Nasri, and her first foal is by Koheilan El Ajouz. Perhaps he assumed that Inshass bought El Shahbaa in 1931 along with her dam because the following year there is an entry for a female named Mahasen who is by El Deree out of El Obeya (gift from Ibn Sa’ud). Perhaps El Obeya Om Geris was first a gift to El Hag Mohamed Ibrahim? I am not sure the source of Colin Pearson’s info but since his research gives her the Sa’ud designation I included her in this list. Number 7, Rezkia is clearly listed as a “gift from Ibn El Saud of Arabia as Sa’udyah” in the Inshass Stud book. This is the same attribution for the mares Nafaa, Durra and Mabrouka given on the same date.

Pure Man, yes there were four gifts by the stallion Obayan El Saifi. Also Number 10, Mabrouk in the list is listed as a colt but really he was two years old at the time of the gift. He was given at the same date as Durra, Rezkia and Mabrouka. It is not clear to me what you are saying about the gifts. Are you saying that the King Abdul Aziz of Saudi Arabia is giving a weak strain to the King of Egypt? Can you elaborate as to why this would happen? Thanks.

By: Pure man

Pure man — Mon, 04 May 2009 02:57:43 +0000

These are gifts from Bedouin to King Abdulaziz and he Know About horses
And a weak strain he Gives Any one

Because All Sheikhs Horses Come to him from Everywhere

there were four gifts by the stallion Ubayyan al-Suyayfi.. ??Not any colt Make it stallion Only Pure strain and Must Known to all people thes strain is Pure
and not The owner Only And not depending on the Beliefs The owner

By: Edouard

Edouard — Sun, 03 May 2009 21:38:23 +0000

Thanks Joe, how interesting. So there were four gifts by the stallion Ubayyan al-Suyayfi..

Number 10 is Suwayti by strain, and Number 6 is most likely Saadan (Tuqan or otherwise).

Are number 2 and number 7 also listed as from Ibn Saud?