Most of the Egyptian horses accepted by Al Khamsa, except El Nasser, Beshier El Achkar and Badria who are relatively recent entrants, were grandfathered from the Blue Arabian Horse Catalog (yet another label), which is kind of the ‘ancestor’ of Al Khamsa. At the time the Blue Catalog was compiled, there was little information on the Tahawi horses. For a long time, many people in Al Khamsa, myself included, seem to have considered the Tahawi horses as slightly suspicious, mainly due to the lack of information about them. Recently, more, positive information surfaced, thanks to the minutious work of Bernd Radtke of Belgium who knew the Tahawi and their horses very well.

I already send you the picture a while ago.

Thanks, Monique

PS I can submit the correct info to All Breed since I have Ghaniya’s pedigree here.

I look forward to hearing about the progress in getting them accepted.

László

Yours sincerely, Monique

I will take out the links to Allbreed

Nonetheless, I am always confused by the pains people take to explain errors present (at the time of their writing) in Allbreedpedigree, because it seems to be that a) it takes more time to explain it than it would to correct it, and b) that ANYONE with correct data CAN correct the site is one of its strengths.

Respectfully,

Ambar

I might also add that the AHA Datasource is also one which cannot be relied on for the final word. One must consider that it might be necessary to check all resources to determine the correct ancestral information. The AHA Datasource continues to list the Egyptian mare Bint Dalal [al Hamrah] as being sired by Rabdan but in fact she is sired by Rabdan’s son Hadban instead. This makes many Egyptian pedigrees in error when extended from the AHA Datasource. Al Khamsa has it correct. Another interesting point is that Morafic’s first born foal in the Datasource is Balabel I (x Rooda) who was born the same year Morafic was according to their information. Wow that is some sire!

The links you post for the 3 Tahawi mares are links to the All Breed Database. These databases are not always able to provide correct pedigree information as the information is often tabulated and entered by people who do not engage in research.

You will notice that in all 3 pedigrees the paternal grandsire Barakat is shown as being sired by Mesaoud and out of Bushra both early Crabbet horses who never left England and were never in Egypt. Furthermore the Barakat shown in these All Breed Database pedigrees is shown as a stallion. However this Barakat is actually a mare bred by Wilfrid Blunt and she had no offspring. The real stallion Barakat is Dahman Shahwan bred by the Anazeh tribe of Sheikh Midjhem Ibn Meheyd.

Also in the All Breed Database the pedigree for Fulla [Folla] shows her dam to be the mare Sabah 1932 by El Deree. There is no 1932 daughter of El Deree by this name, unless someone thought it was Sabha, the 1930 daughter out of Radia (Gamil Manial x Aroussa), who never had any produce. The real dam of Fulla [Folla] is a Shuweymah Sabbah mare of Abdul Hamid el Tahawi.

I hope this will clarify things for anyone using the above mentioned pedigree links from All Breed Database, because all three of those are in error from the correct information available.