Kuhaylan al-Mimrah: from Egypt to South Africa
The “Strain of the Week” series continues this week with the second strain featured: Kuhaylan al-Mimrah.
Modern breeders and pedigree students, especially those familiar with Asil Arabian bloodlines from Egypt will remember Kuhaylan al-Mimrah as the strain of several of the older Royal Agricultural Society (RAS) horses: the stallions Mansour and Mabrouk Manial, present in almost every pedigree of Asil Arabians of Egyptian bloodlines, are both from this strain, and so are their respective maternal half-brothers, Ibn Samhan and Hadban. Mansour and Ibn Samhan trace to Donia, a bay desert-bred Kuhaylah Mimrahiyah bred by Ibn Muwayni’ of the Saba’ah Bedouin tribe, and imported to Egypt in 1880. Mabrouk Manial and Hadban trace to Freiha, another bay desert-bred Kuhalyah Mimrahiyah bred by Ibn Huraymis of the Fad’aan tribe and imported to Egypt around the same time.
The line to Donia has died out a long time ago, but a thin Asil line to Freiha survives in South Africa, through the famous Barakah, which the RAS sold to this country in 1945. Other than its rarity and prestigious origin, this line is of interest because it brings in the blood of the Asil stallion Tuwaisaan, a present of the ruler of Bahrain to Ms. Valerie Noli-Marais, who owned Barakah.
Good day Edouard, my name is Albert Kaffka, I live near Pretoria in South Africa and I breed Asil Egyptian Arabian horses. I was referred to your blog / site by Tzviah, who is the partner of Kuti Aharon who’s a friend of mine since he came to South Africa on a visit some 10 years ago.
I believe the strain of Barakah has died out in South Africa, unfortunately.
However, interesting fact is that with Barakah there were also 3 stallions and another mare imported to South Africa in the late 1940’s. The mares’ name was Nabilah.
Since the 50’s the family Uijs / Aschenborn have been looking after this Nabilah blood with the breeding programme of their stud which was named after Nabilah. More than 50 years later the Nabilah Stud still exists. I own a 25 year old Nabilah AK Bint Bashaar; a mare by AK El Bashaar ( Ibn Moniet El Nefous x AK Mayadaa) out of Inzam Saklabilah who was a daughter of Nabilah by the stallion Gordonville Ziyadan… who was a son of Barakah by one of the three stallions named Zahir. I belive the other two were Nader and Zad El Rakib. A fourth stallion died on the way to South Africa.
The Uijs family have a written report on the selection / purchase / shipping / transport and arrival of these horses which wasn’t without intrigues and suspected cheating on the side of the faithfull in Egypt….
I might ask one of the owners if that story can be forwarded to you.
My Nabilah AK Bint Bashaar has given me 2 colts and one daughter since I bought here when she was already 17 years old. The past couple of years she is barren although she promissed me to give me another filly (through an applied Kinesiologist).
Bint Bashaar has produced a National Champion in South Africa, Shari-Silic Akbar, who was a son of Omar El Shaker (Shaker El Masri x Om El Arab)….. Yes indeed, a halfbrother to the famous El Shaklan out of the Asil/SE mare Om El Arab after whom the worldrenowned stud of the Metz’s is named…
Small world don’t you agree?
Another son of Bint Bashaar is Shari-Silic Pasha by Hamasa El Fagr ( Farag x Menha.
Bint Bashaar’s daughter called Al-Yatun Bashira ( by my late stallion Sahiby Sheikh El Arab (4 great grandsires are all *Morafic).
Bashira in turn has given me a daughter 10 days ago (!!!) by GR Marjan who was imported from Germany. (His pedigree is on http://www.allhorsepedigree.com).
There is a halfsister to Nabilah AK Bint Bashaar called Nabilah Bint Saklabilah, also out of Inzam Saklabilah but her Sire is Anchor Hill Omar. “Bibi” as she is called is a gracious black fleebitten mare.
With the same Omar El Shaker she produced a lovely mare named Fantasia.
A third halfsister was by Shah Jahan (Shakhs x Bint Jehan). Because of Basilisk in her sires pedigree she was not always accepted as Asil by the local Asil breeders.
I owned her for some time and mated het to teh stallion Shams El Farin ( Farouk x Inshraa). Later I sold her in foal and the foal was registered in Namibia as Barakah Bar. He was good in enurance ridden by mr Dawid Botha. He sold the gelding to the sheikhs from the United Arab Emirates.
A year later he won the Bahrain 100 miler in 7 hours and 20 minutes.
Now when you think this strange mysterious circle from Bahrain to South Africa to Bahrain is complete…… think again.
Mr Dawid Botha recently purchased a young stallion in Israel from Tzviah and her partner Kuti, named Haleeb, a LAheeb son!
Further for your ineterest: another son of Shams El Farin called Charlandre El Sharif, this time out of a Crabbet mare who’s name has slipped my mind, was also exported to the Emirates.
This gelding won the Dubai World Endurance Championship over 100 miles and broke the world record with 13 minutes to win in 6 hours and 28 minutes.
Lucky for me I own 3 daughters of his father, Shams El Farin.
Two sons of my late stallion Sahiby Sheikh El Arab were also purchased by sheikhs and are still competing in endurance in the M-East.
That’s all for now.
Best Regards
Albert Kaffka
Al-Yatun Asil Arabians
al-yatun@pinco.co.za
Hi Albert, thanks for all this information. Regarding the Barakah dam line what happened to mares like Saheeby Juleema (Yuleema) and all her progeny by Egyptian stallions? The last I checked, she had a good deal of progeny by Egyptian stallions.. Is that all gone?
Thanks, Albert, for checking out this blog and contributing information previously unknown to us.
The colt that Kuti and I sold to Mr. David Botha of Namibia/South Africa is ATIQ HALEEB by Laheeb and out of the Babolna-bred hadba inziyeh mare Hila B (Efendi B ex Ansata Nile Pasha out of 223 Ibn Galal I x Haniya B ex Salaa el Dine out of 227 Ibn Galal I out of 202 Ibn Galal). We understand that he is getting lots of attention and hope that he will be able to make a significant breeding contribution.
Marhabba Edouard, I have forwarded your e-mail address to Mr Eugene Geyser, co-owner of the Nabilah Stud, I am sure he will be in contact with you shortly. Eugene is also the Chair of the Asil Club of Southern Africa. I think we should create our own site soon and establish a link to your blog.
I will try to find out what offspring Barakah had and what has become of it.
As far as I recall was the stallion Tuwaisan not true Asil ( for many years???)and I personally never took further notice of what became of the horses thereafter. But there should be records… will follow up on that.
Regards
Albert
Hello Albert,
Would like to know for what reason Tuwaisan is considered ‘not true asil’ by some in South Africa, and would like to know if you or anyone else close to the information could publish any details surrounding the gifting of this horse to Dr. V.Noli-Marais.
Thanks kindly.
Hi Edouard,
My name is Calvyn Badenhorst of Skarabee Arabians. I know what happened to all the progeny of Saheeby Juleema. There are a number of them through Juleema’s daughters and they all are alive and well. Breeding offspring for their owners with good strong toplines, short strong backs and hindquarters,good movement, enough type so they still look like Arabians and offcourse they are excelling in Endurance riding with good hearts and competitiveness. I am not sure why some people in South-Africa choose not to acknowledge Juleema’s progeny. I know about all the facts or fabels about Tuwaisan. Some people love him and others hate him. Fact of the matter is, he is an Asil.
You seem like a very fare and Knowledgeable man. Do you have knowledge about Saheeby Juleema that you would like to share.
Regards
Calvyn
Dear Albert, thank you for sharing “Daughter of the Wind” with the South African Asil Arabian horse community. Let me know when you have your website so I add a link to it. Also, I did hear from Eugene and will get back to him shortly..
Hi Calvyn, thanks for the good news that the Asil tail female of Kuhaylan al-Mimrah is still alive and well in South Africa. Indeed to me there is no question that the stallion Tuwaisaan (imported from Bahrain to South Africa by Dr. V. Noli-Marais) was Asil. I don’t know Sahibi Juleema personnally, except that I did a quick internet search of Barakah’s offspring by Tuwaisaan and found there were quite a few descendents left, mainly through Sahibi Juleema. All the best, Edouard
Hi Edouard,
I must use this oppertunity to give credit to one of our top breeders in South-Africa who contributed immensely towards the qaulity of the Kuhaylan Al Mimrah Arabians left in South-Africa. Jack Maritz owned Sahiby Juleemah all her life and I can remember him calling her the Goose that lays the golden eggs. She produced quality to almost every Egyptian Stallion he used on her. I must say Jack’s Egyptian Stallions Maistro and Thee Cyclone produced the more prominent offspring with Juleema. They all had that Wow factor. A good combination of Type, athletic structure and movement. They were pretty but also athletic.
Have you seen some of the latter, and do you consider the combination of their bloodlines an asset for future breeders?
Regards
Calvyn
No I haven’t seen any. Do you have pictures to send me?
Edouard,
You can go to my website and view my Stallion called Picasso and also view the young filly Yaseera. I’ve got a few others as well not yet on the website. Will get pictures ready in the near future and let you know.
http://www.skarabeearabians.com
Calvyn
Dear Edouard, Hello Calvyn,
I have been thinking about the Tuwaisan issue.
Firstly: Mrs Valerie Noli-Marais presented the sheikh of Bahrain a leopard I am told. But don’t know if that was in return for his present of the horse or vias versa.
Mr Jack Maritz, who was the curator of the property of the late Mrs Noli-Marais should know.
Secondly: I believe that since he is not accepted by the Pyramid Society ( am I correct here?), because he does not trace back to Egypt and was not used in Egypt, I have avoided him in my breeding programme and so have several others too.
Remember that 25 years ago, or even 10 years ago, we didn’t have the access to the vast information on the internet and communications like these would have taken months, if not years, if not for ever, using the standard post services in South Africa at the time.
Thirdly: Especially since and because Mr Jack Maritz did breed with Sahiby Juulema, I am quite sure that most / all of here offspring now contains El Nasser blood, a stallion which was accepted as Asil only recently when Al-Khamsa decided to take him up in its ranks.
In retrospect it is easy to say that it may have been a silly thing to avoid those bloodlines. Thus we now have certain unique bloodlines even in South Africa where you Calvyn, live only a 2½ hours’ drive away from me. Can you imagine how such opinions had their impact in the desert some hundreds of years ago?
Anyone who wants to combine these two lines is his breeding programme now is more than welcome to do so….
But I think not many breeders will.
Dear Albert,
Aren’t we lucky that the Asil Club had the foresight and maybe more accurate modern research to base their decissions of including bloodlines previously not accepted. Remember bloodlines were handed down word of mouth in the olden days (Shame on the poor Stallion’s owner who had Alsheimers)Surely the Asil Club have the resources available that we can only dream about. Not even to mention the possibilities of DNA technology. I think it is very wise of them to do so purely on the fact the the Genepool of Asil and Egyptian horses are very tight already. Calvyn
Dear Calvyn,
I have been sending you e-mails om a regular basis for years and never received a single reply…. Are you sure you haven’t put me on your Blocked Sender List? I am so glad we finally get to “meet” on the internet.
Right, Asil Club/Pyramyd Society/Al Khamsa differ per definition only. Their aim is the same but the one would not have a reason to exist if it had the same definition as the other. Dr Mult Georg Olms’ Asil Club eV, based in Germany, was a more European based club and Al Khamsa was more an American orientated “club” for that matter; only accepting Egyptian horses that came to the USA. The Pyramid Society may well be a more global “club” but to avoid “The Purity Issue” the PS has a definition that limits to horses bred in or used in Egypt.
Lets not go too much into the different definitions now, but lets talk about the points you mention: Foresight,modern accurate research, DNA….
Foresight has nothing to do with this as I consider it clever of earlier breeders to NOT us horses that are covered in a cloud of doubt and of which there are issues that are conflicting such as AC/PS/AK.
I believe Tuwaisan is not AK-accepted by the way. Definition problem.
Modern Research vs emotional values:
Personally I agree with Edouards definition of Asil, where purity is the issue. It is an WAHO problem and it is an Asil Club issue too. Neverthe less I am quite sure that many members of the Asil Club will have no problem with his opinion either.
But my problem is the following.
Even though we believe our horses are PURE in breeding, there is nothing that can actually guarantee this. Yes, the books of the Asil Club have 1001 quotations about the honest pormisses of the son of the sons of old Bedouins telling us how they swear on their mothers grave and more, that according to their knowledge, the breeding of the horses is Asil!
Surely we can trust that, or not?
I’m not so sure.
Were Bedouins such trustworthy people?
( Please all people living in the M-East, don’t understand me wrong I am not saying your ancestors were criminals!)
But 99% of all the people quoted in the books Asil Araber I ~ V are dead.
Dr Hans Nagel’s book “the mare Hanan” sheds a different light on the desert roaming tribes and I can find more believable essence in that book. They were scum, they were robbers, they were people that were feared even by their civilized fellow Arab people. Perhaps they lived in peace together in their OWN tribes but they certainly weren’t very amical amongst different tribes, not to mention European Christians! Even in modern times… you started about modern things…. Christianity is not welcome in several Islamic countries, so what has changed?
Why would these Bedouins be so polite and honorable in the stories of the Asil Club?
It sounds silly but those are my thoughts, not saying that it is all a lot of Bull….
The meaning of the word Asil is clear to all that have placed their cursor on Edouards blog. But it is something that can not be proven, rather on the contrary.
DNA can proof that certain horses that are supposed to be of a certain line, actually aren’t. Don’t ask me about the name(s) right now, but Mrs Judi Forbis (Ansata fame)will be able to help you there.
It isn’t possible to claim the purity of our horses, believe me, believe her.
While she was here a while ago I had a chance to talk to her in private and wanted to get some ammunition from her, as author of these wonderful books, to be able to defend myself against all the WAHO breeders that claim my ideas about Asil are all nonsense. On my question about the purity she said to me, and Eugene and all present: It is not me (Judi) who is claiming that these horses are pure in breeding but the people that she is quoting in my books. And they were not always honest, they did not always tell the truth. You can read about that in the book The Abbas Pasha Manuscript”.
Off course thereafter all the copies of the books she had with here sold out like hot pan cakes.
We can not (only) claim Asil as a purity issue. We can not.
Late Dr Bakels may be 100% correct in the Asil Books with his theory on genetics and the breeding of sheep, Shetland ponies etc. But if there was one unfaithfull Islamite who messed with the purity of his foal, everything is down the drain. Just imagine if one of Nazeer’s great great great parents was not a Asil horse!
Technically speaking it is a possibility.
Had it been an Arab cross, able to survive in the Syrian world long enough to produce threequarter Arab-cross offspring etc etc…
I am a devils advocate here to make sure we don’t loose our face.
Having read the mud slinging arguments between G.Olms and the WAHO office about comparing our Asils with pigs etc tec, certainly doesn’t convince me more about the honesty of every single person in the vast M-Eastern deserts for the past 5 centuries and before.
But continueing breeding in a Bedouin way is soemthing that would, even now, exclude horses that are not Asil.
And when one tribe would have doubted the origins of a certain individual horse, they would not use the horse UNTIL such a time it had been proven to be Asil.
Asil/ SE / AK is all the same to me now.
Asil used to be the smallest group, excluding many horses since the faoundation in the early 70’s as a counterweight to WAHO.
But with the acceptance of Basilisk and El Nasser as Asil, the definition of Straight Egyptian has become smaller. Al Khmasa is not global and doesn’t count for this matter.
But for decades certain horses were avoided and nobody did secretly breed with the non-Asil horses in the expectation taht 30 years later these horses would still be accepted as Asil, that would have been FORESIGHT, really.
That would have been something.
Even in South Africa in teh 40’s and 50’s, we had the importation of some of the best horses from Egypt including the world renown El Moez !!!
The horses were considered not upt o standard and were used mainly to improve the local breeds like Basotho pony and Boerperd ( Farmers’ horses).
We have a reputation of being very knowledgeable about Asil horses.
The halfbrother of El Shaklan (Omar El Shaker) was left to almost go to waste walking with horses in teh wild to improve the South African Warmbloods….
It is my opinion that foresight is always appreciated retrospectively!
I may be wrong with what I am placing on this site, but maybe, in 25 years’ time, a yound fanatic Asil breeder will say that I had the blessed foresight.
Please don’t take any of this personal, I am only using my freedom of speech.
But do check on http://www.straightegyptians.com and you will find that some people ask “why is it that some arabic breeders ( read sheiks) seem to prefer horses without Thee Minstrill in their pedigrees?”
Of course 98% of the breeders say it is only a marketing tools used by (asil) breeders…
Well, we’ll see.
But don’t start about DNA again, we could end up in big sh..
It was not my intention to write so much…..
Looking forward to hear other comments. Can someone ask Mrs Judi Forbis to join?
Albert,
I agree with you on the DNA issue. It could ruin the Romance a bit.
I have been on the website you refered to and I respect the fact that some breeders choose not to use the Minstril. Whatever the reason does not realy matter to me. If I look at an Egyptian Stallion like AL LAHAB (By Laheeb out of The Vision-Minstril bred)and see how many world renowned breeders are using him (a great deal of Arabic breeders as well)I can only get excited.
Thank you for getting me involved. I realy enjoy it.
Regards
Calvyn
the Bahrain stallion Tuwaisan was accepted by Al Khamsa in 1987. See Khamsat Vol. 6, No. 3, pp 9-15 for complete details. As I understand this, he was added to the Al Khamsa roster along with a number of other horses, in a proposal by Carol Schulz, in a unique category called “Foundation Horses [in other countries] who have living eligible descendants” [if imported to North America]. Others in this category, include Meshura 1872 bay mare, Atesh 1913 chestnut stallion, Nimr 1914 brown stallion, Fedaan 1913 grey stallion, Nuhra 1936 bay mare, and Manak 1928 chestnut stallion. So please note that in 1987 Al Khamsa HAS INDEED ACCEPTED Tuwaisan.
Dear Joe,
Thank you for your contribution in Favour of Tuwaisan. I think there are a lot of Sout-African breeders who can finally give a sigh of relieve and ignore all the unjust gossip about Tuwaisan.
Forgive me if this is a stupid question. If Al Khamsa accepted Tuwaisan, do you think he might still be considered by the Pyramid Society?
Calvyn
Hey Joe, Thanks for the input.
We seem to have missed out on some information here and there, but I doesn’t change very much. At the time when Tuwaisan was alive not many breeders used him on their Asil mares.
As I said, who could have thought that one day he would be accepted.
Dear Albert,
Don’t you think it’s fare to say that the few breeders who did use Tuwaisan on their Asil mares like Dr. Valerie Noli Marais and after her Jack Maritz continued her Legacy. Well done Jack! I call that foresight. Calvyn
Hi Calvyn,
Jip, one could also have used El Shaklan, or any Bey horse to produce beautiful offspring or any other stallion. The fact that many people use a particular stallion doesn’t impress me. Following fashion certainly isn’t always a sind of intelligence. Many people smoke cigarettes… I don’t.
A renowned breeder who came to visit South Africa some years ago and who saw most of the show classes filled with the get of one individual stallion said that a nation that breeds like that (this) doesn’t know what they are doing.
I suppose that any breeder chooses to breed within a certain group and excluding another. Asil or non-Asil doesn’t matter, in general. Even within our group of Asil horses, one can freely choose to walk a route lesser travelled. Those are the challenges, at least for me they are.
The good thing is that you can breed totally the opposite of what someone else may breed, and I may go in another direction and Edouard my go in a fourth direction….. Extreme left meets extreme right on the other side of the world.
Who will continue after you and I are gone?
Life a journey enjoy the ride ( on Asil horseback preferably)
We should talk more often Calvyn.
Send an e-mail to al-yatun@pinco.co.za
We still have a battle to be won in South Africa. Take your stand.
Albert,
Why not be a little bit more specific about the world renowned breeder and the particular Stallion you mention. (Names please. He might like to join the discussion)
Thank you for the invite, but I prefer not to be labeled a battle axe. It is not my personality and I also believe it is not good for the breed. You may battle with whom ever you like. I won’t join the party.
Regards
Calvyn
Hi Calvyn,
regarding your question about Tuwaisan being considered by the Pyramid Society, it is not a relevant choice for them to consider because their category of bloodlines is specifically shaped around preservation of only Egyptian bred bloodlines, so it is philosophically only one geography, where Al Khamsa’s basis for its foundation horses begins with the Bedouin connection regardless of geography. This is why Al Khamsa has foundation horses originating from a far more vast geography than just what was assembled in Egypt or relative to what was brought there. So Tuwaisan would be outside the scope of the Pyramid Society.
Hi Joe,
Thank you for the information. It makes a lot of sense to me now.
At least we can finally lay the baby to rest in South-Africa about Tuwaisan’s ASIL status.
Regards
Calvyn
Albert, I just read your long commentary of Sept. 22, which among other items discusses the purity issue. In the long run everyone has to learn all they can and chose their own course of understanding.
I like to think of it this way. First I don’t really think in today’s world we Al Khamsa supporters are oriented toward purity as much as we are toward preservation. In a broad sense, the horse of interest is that very impressive horse produced by the Bedouin culture and its successors in a similar cultural setting.
Whatever the process of fighting between tribes or confederations between tribes or the sacking of outsiders, it is not unlike other tribal cultures, struggling in a hostile natural environment (in this case the desert) to survive and carry their life style forward. This whole process of struggle is what generated the kind of horse we now admire under the general banner of “asil”.
Consider this hypothetical: If in that culture, admixtures of outside blood happened long before our information, and if those admixtures improved the outcome and strengthened a group of horses, thereby improving coping with the struggle, it is all a part of the generation of this horse in its native setting. If after this introduction of new blood the particular tribe chose to re-define the strengthened cross, to embrace it as their own, it is their right to do so, and it is still within this process of generating the geneaology that is relevant to the horses they maintain. If you look at it this way, truth is liberated to evolve in the same way that the horse evolved to be its best in the harsh environment.
So whatever is said about interpretations of Bedouin truth or behavior, to survive, if it worked to sustain survival, then it would seem a meaningful part of the process. So to me the preservation of the “Asil” horse is based on a specific cultural derivative.
Here is a distinction that I make: Any pure breed of livestock is likely to have about 12-15 generations of like individuals, so today all other Arabians not identified as Asil, still deserve the general term “purebred.” The distinction for me between asil and purebred is, that when these “asil” horses leave their native culture and are successively top-crossed for generations on native horses of the receiving culture, the new results are not the same process as the generated genealogy from the original culture. So all other Purebred Arabians that fall into this category are still purebred in the broader sense by all recognizing registries, but they do not stand to represent the originating culture.
Al Khamsa and its companions just seek to preserve the product of the originating culture, for itself and also so that it will always be there to represent the original Bedouin process.
Dear Tzviah Idan,
On 19 September you requested information about the gifting of Tuwaisan to Dr. Valerie Noli Marais. I know someone who did extensive research on Tuwaisan, but I am not sure if she would like to disclose it in this particular discussion due to obvious reasons. Why don’t you contact her direct. It might be very interesting to you. Her name is Mrs. Reynolds and you can e-mail her at
zandri@netactive.co.za
Regards
Calvyn
Thank you, Calvin, I will do so, and I am grateful for the information.
Also, if you don’t mind, a suggestion to both you and Albert – that you ‘brush up’ on the similarities/differences between the Asil Club, Al Khamsa and the Pyramid Society. This will truly help you to understand how a horse can be recognized by one group and not by another. The Pyramid Society was established strictly to help preserve, support, and market the ‘straight Egyptian’ Arabian and they have done a phenomenal job. Both Al Khamsa and the Asil Club have a much broader scope, and with globalization, Al Khamsa is even ‘expanding’ its borders and taking an interest in listing asil horses outside of North America, such as the recent proposal regarding horses in Europe tracing to rare old asil horses at Babolna. You may want to visit the website of each organization to learn more about each organization, and the ‘evolution’ of the preservation movement in the west, beginning with Carl Raswan, Jane Ott and her Blue Index, etc, and the directions that this movement is taking today. I believe that this will help you better understand certain opinions regarding Basilisk, El Nasser, etc., and I believe you will be fascinated in learning how a horse such as El Nasser, recognized by the Pyramid Society and the Asil Club, was eventually recognized and accepted by Al Khamsa and to understand the process. Edouard Aldahdah, the owner of this blog, was intimately involved in this and able to provide information previously unknown in the west, that eventually led to his acceptance.
And now, through this blog and this specific dialogue, it seems to me that South African asil breeders will take a closer interest in those horses they assumed were non-asil and make sure they continue to be breed ‘asil.’ Bloody marvelous!
We all await seeing photos and more information about the asil horses of South Africa.
Thank you both of you for sharing.
Hello everyone
Although Ive never owned an Asil KM or other Asil or SE Arabian, I have always taken a very keen interrest in the Asil KM Arabians here in RSA.
I will put up al the info I have on these horses a little later, also I do have photos of couple of them, so if you can tell me how to put them up here, I will gladly do so.
Also I want a favor,
dear Joe and Eduwan, would it be ok if I qoute you, I would like some of the info you have supplied here.
Untill a little later
kind regards
zandri
Tzviah, Thank you for such a positive reply. I will definately follow your advice.This blog and this particular discussion has got so many wonderfull people with exceptional horses excited. You won’t believe how much damage has been done to the few Kuhaylah Al Mimrah ASIL horses due to all the unjust rumours. There could have been so many more of these precious gems if newcomers to the breed were not so misled about Tuwaisan and El Nasser. Calvyn
I will not go into discussing whether this small group of KM Arabians are truly Asil or not, they are excepted by the Asil group and are recognised as Al Khamsa, I will leave it at that. I will however share the info that I have gathered on this unique and precious Arabian horses.
The tragic story of Dr Valerie Noli-Marias is known to me, but out of respect and also because it is of no concern to this thread, I will not go into detail. I have always maintained that our Heavenly Father has a purpose for everything in life, even with something so small and insignificant as breeding horses, so although Dr Valerie was a remarkable person in many ways, if His sole purpose with her life on this earth was to resque Baraka and preserve the Asil KM Arabians, He most certainly did achieve His goal.
Keep in mind that when Baraka was imported to RSA, horses did not have the luxury of aircooled airoplanes, they where travelled by ship! This makes her life and legacy a small mirical in my eyes. Her first 18 odd years in RSA would go by without any special happening, then by God’s gracious will Dr Valerie found her, running half wild on a remote semi-desert farm, with almost 60 purebred Arabians. It took Dr Valerie 3 years to confice Baraka’s then owner to sell her. Since Baraka was to weak to travel by train, Dr Valerie travelled 1200 miles with a landrover and horsebox to fetch her. The last couple of years Baraka would spend in luxury, well cared for, much loved and treasured. She died shortly before her 30th birthday. At the very first RSA National Arabian Championships Baraka was named RSA National Supreme Champion mare, a legacy that would be continued like a golden thread through her daughters and their subsequent offspring.
Dr Valerie went in search for a suitable stallion so that Baraka and the Asil KM legacy could be preserved. How she came about Tuweisan is of no importance, yet again our Heavenly Father had a plan and if His goal was to provide a suitable stallion to continue the Asil KM legacy, He most certainly achieved His goal. At 28 years, an age when most mares are just living out their life, Baraka gave birth to her last foal, her only Asil KM filly, Sahibi Bint Baraka. Yet a again a small mirical!
Sahibi Bint Baraka was bred to Ahir ( the only Morafic son to set foot on RSA soil, out of the legendary Deenaa) to produce Sahibi Noura and Noura was bred back to her sire, Ahir to produce Sahibi Juleemah. Before her untlimely death Dr Valerie Noli-Marais at least had the peace of mind that the Asil KM Arabians, horses that she dearly treasured and fiercely preserved throughout her troubled life, would be safe in her trusted dear friend, Jack Maritz’s hands and that he would continue her dream to preserve this precious Arabians.
Both Sahibi Bint Baraka and Sahibi Noura died on Jack’s farm, Kampkuip. Jack was left with Sahibi Juleemah only to continue the Asil KM strain. He went through great lenghts in finding suitable stallions to use with the “Juleemah” mares. First would be Raafeek ( an Ibn Morafic son), then WD Majesty, Sahibi Gamaal el Arab ( Ahir x AK Bint Gamilaa) was also used. Then would follow a young bay colt, Maistro (The Minstril x Amiri Sanaa), who would make the grandest contribution, not only in preserving the KM strain, but also enhancing these special group of Arabians. Together Sahibi Juleemah and Maistro produced 5 outstanding daughters and 2 sons. Unlike Juleemah’s other relatives, who had relatively few offspring, she would proof to be a prolific broodmare, producing 15 foals, 10 fillies and 5 colts, all Asil KM Arabians. ‘Till today she remains the only dam to have produced 2 RSA National Futurity Champion Fillies, amongst her children’s many other achievments. Today there are still 6 Juleemah daughters and 2 sons alive. Currently there are a total of 36 living Asil KM mares and 24 living Asil KM stallions in RSA and Namibia.
It is quite clear that the Asil KM Arabians are no longer threatend by extinction and they are by far not just “preservation” horses, but indeed superior in qaulity that competes successfully at shows and on endurance tracks.
Currently there is just one pure in strain Asil KM Arabian mare, that means both her sire and dam are of Asil KM strain. If there was anything that does concern me a little, it would be that there are so few pure in strain, I do feel breeders of this precious and small group of Asil Arabians should try and breed the Asil KM mares to local Asil KM stallions in order to strenghten their strain. Also another concern is that although there are 60 individuals, almost all of them carry The Minstril blood ( I have nothing against this magnificent stallion, however,but it does narrow the already small genepool of the Asil KM Arabains), currently just 4 mares does not carry The Minstril blood!
There will always be speculations, but until proven otherwise, this small and very unique group of horses remains the only living Asil KM Arabians in the world. Their entire history proves to me that miricals still do happen and makes them very precious in my eyes.
Sorry for this very lenghty post, I hope this info will be of interrest to all.
Kind regards
Zandri
Dear Zandri,
Thanks for your wonderfully informative post on the legacy of Baraka. You mentioned that she died just short of 30. She was a granddaughter of Nasr (Manial) and in the US where Nasr was later imported, many of his get lived to very old age. His son Sirecho sired his last foal at age 30. I owned a Sirecho daughter who died 2 weeks short of her 30th birthday and had her last foal with us at age 26 so there is longevity in some of this blood. I had always marveled at the few pictures I had seen of Baraka in old age. She seemed a classic example of the old lines and of the kind of horse bred by Prince Mohammed Ali.
You had asked if you could quote Edouard and Joe. There are two Joes on this blog, me (Joe Ferriss) and Joe Achcar. You are welcome to use anything I have posted.
dear Albert
Allow me to quote you:
“Just imagine if one of Nazeer’s great great great parents was not a Asil horse!
Technically speaking it is a possibility.
Had it been an Arab cross, able to survive in the Syrian world long enough to produce threequarter Arab-cross offspring etc etc…”
Just imagine that you are a thouroughbred breeder ,you own a mare who was unbeten in all her race.From whom do you cover her :
-An Anglo-Arab stallion winner of many races
-A thouroughbred stallion winner of many races.
That was the Bedouin choice,they use to escape from the Turkish cavalry because they were mounted on Arab mares.
So why cover their mares from unknown stallions that they have already beaten many times in the desert.
This has nothing to do with the Bedouin personality as stated by Dr Nagel.
I’m a Christian Arab so Dr Nagel wife ,we know all the Bedouins defects but believe me they are not stupid enough to put diesel in a petrol engine and ruin it .The stamina and speed of their horses was a matter of life and death for them .
Already in 50 AD Plinus wrote “The Arabs are warriors and no one can reach them due to their fast horses”
This does not mean that some Europeans does not bought part-bred Arabs believing that they were Arabs.
“it has already been stated that a large proportion of the so-called Arabians which appear in foreign markets are produced in El Irak”Major General W.Tweedie CSI.in his book The Arabian Horse chapter IV “the Arabian in El Irak and East the Tigris” he was speaking of the horses produced in Irak and sent to India.
Even in Egypt Pashas use to breed Anglo-Arabs,registred in their own Books as “Asil”
I wrote on them in this blog.Sep.the 10th
Let me ask you, why shall we trust a foremaster of any Pasha when he wrote “on this day i covered this mare from this stallion”,and not believe a Bedouin? Do you think that the word of an Egyptian foreman is more relayable than the Bedouin one :the two of them may be as much liars.
But the Bedouin Hujja is a proof that this stallions covered this mare because the Bedouin will never mate his mare only in front of witnesses who after that will sign the Hujja.We dont find this in any “Straight Egyptian” mating.
Dont forget in those days there was no Blood Typing no DNA.Only witnesses signing a Hujja.
dear Joe Ferriss
Many thanks for your kind words, I thouroughly enjoyed doing the research on what surely is Proudly South African treasures.
I could have elaborated more on their achievments, but that would take up another blog, so I will only say that Sahibi Juleemah herself also did well in the showring and till today, the KM very successfully competes, even in todays modern showring!
Thank you for allowing me to qoate your word, it will help a lot
Dear Joe Achcar
thanks for pointing out a differnt point of vew, it certainly puts a new angle on the Asil status of the Asil Km horses here in RSA and also on other Asil horses!
kind regards
zandri
There must be a misunderstanding somewhere that Calvyn bursts out against me and my postings on the blog.
Personally I believe I have been the biggest marketer of the Asil horses in South Africa from the early 90’s till now. Not to pat myself on the shoulder but simply to put the records straight.
In the 90’s I have tried to get all Asil breeders together in some sort of an association or club but without the internet and modern technology it just wast possible to keep contact with these people spread over a semi-continent as large as western Europe. I mean, South Africa had the worst telephone system and calling people on an old fashioned winding telephone, or trying to send a fax to the capital was still a very difficult task.
I was labelled a fanatic amongst the GO-breeders in SA who ruled, and still rule the management of the Arab Horse Society.
Maybe I must admit that I am not the easiest person to deal with, but I am true to the Asil cause, ( as discribed by Edouard) and I am a council member of the Asil Club of South Africa.
In fact I played a crucial role in the sale of the first Asil horse to the current Chairperson of our local Asil Club of SA.
The misunderstandings about the status of Tuwaisan maybe could have been avoided in the past before my time, but was not. I certainly could not have discredited the stallion during his life time ( or after). The rumours about Tuwaisan, Basilisk, El Nasser and Hanan (and a couple more horse in SA) were doing the rounds way before I came to South Africa and I must say that they were fired on by the fact that the definitions of the Asil Club, Pyramid Society and Al Khamsa were not so much overlapping as what they are doing now.
Many of the breeders would not form a united front, ( so typical for SA) and still some of them have horses that seem to be more equal than others.
But don’t look at me as if I threw something in the drinking water, please!
I did not mean to argue with you Calvyn, I always was looking forward to sharing ideas with fellow breeders. We have many friends in common, I hear many positive things about you.
Keep up the good work.
Albert,
Thank you for your reply. I don’t keep any grudges. Life is to short and there is still so many births of precious foals to witness. I just deeply long for the day when all South-Africans will allow the light to shine on their fellow breeders despite what each and everyone’s personal preferances might be.
I followed your breeding program and I respect what you are doing. I will even go as far as to use your genetic material for my own breeding program in the future.
Let’s just practise our freedom of speech in such a manner that we don’t create enemies.
All the best
Calvyn
Nice twist.
Sure, no hard feelings whatsoever.
RE: my genepool:
It’s like people having a blood type A or B; you can always use my O blood…..
😉
Subject closed.
I am glad we’re sorted.
Albert,
I didn’t know you had “O” blood.
Only “AB” will be good enough for me. Thanks!
Just a joke! HA HA HA
Calvyn
Edouard,Tviah or both Joe’s
I battle to get the images of the Kuhaylah Al Mimrah’s on this blog. I managed to register with flickr and I can view them from there. Please advise what I should do to get them from there to this blog. Otherwise If I can get an e-mail address to send to it would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Calvyn
You can email them to me at ealdahdah@hotmail.com
Edouard,
I,ve been sending images to the above e-mail address and it keeps bouncing back to me. Is there an alternative addres?
Calvyn
Try edouard.aldahdah@gmail.com. It accepts bigger files.
Edouard,
I’ve send you images of the Kuhaylah al Mimrah stock in South-Africa. Particularly Baraka and her last filly foal as well as Tuwaisan. Did you receive them? would you post them on my behalf since I remember Zviah and both Joe’s were very keen on seeing them.
Calvyn
Dear Calvyn,
there is another Kuhaylan Mimreh line in Utrecht, SA.
Mr. S.P. van Schalkwyk owns a stallion by the name of Kibriya Nishkur and a mare, Sidi Yadfa.
Kibriya Nishkur is by Sidi Abu Khai (Raafeek[imp] x Sahiby Noura) out of Sidi Mabrouka (Raafeek[imp] x Sahiby Juleemah). Sidi Yadfa’s sire is WD Majesty[imp] out of Sidi Noura (Sahiby Gamaal el Arab x Sahiby Juleemah). Unfortunately Yadfa is blind and conventional breeding doesn’t work. I have since lost contact with the van Schalkwyks and I’m unsure if they’ve harvested eggs etc.
On another note – the Kuhaylan Mimreh strain is proudly represented here in Namibia by Juleemah’s son Sidi Egyptian Prince by WD Majesty[imp].
Wilton Burger
Aranos, Namibia
Dear Wilton
Thanks a million for your info, however the Km horses you mention is not another line, they are all related to Baraka.
I will try and find out about Yadva, so far I can find no foals an have always wondered why.
kind regards
zandri
Dear Wilton,
I know of Nishkur and I always had in the back of my head to use him some day. Will you be so kind to e-mail Mr. van Schalkwyk’s contact details to me. uniceann@mweb.co.za
Thanks for your info and treasure that beautifull Stallion of Yours
Regards
Calvyn
P.S. I’ve send more pics of Baraka and Tuwaisan to Edouard. He might post them soon. Keep an eye out for that.
I am so excited! I was just doing a google on desert bred arabians and found this blog! Fantastic. Hullo Albert and Calvyn
I am not a Straight Egyptian breeder so I am not limited to Asil bloodlines. I am a preservation breeder of Old English (mostly Crabbet and Hanstead lines)and Old Egyptian (predominantly Zahir, Barakah, Nabilah and Mamdouha).
Prior to Valerie Noli-Marais acquiring Barakah she had 4 foals. The stallion Gordonville Ziyadan by Zahir, Gordonville Zahara, who died before having issue, Gordonville Majorette by Timarie Major Grant whose offspring were in the Vidiko stud and Vlinkfontein Barakite by Vlinkfontein General Du Four who was a son of Mamdouha. Barakite bred a lot of first and second generation foals. Most of these horses are in the hands of endurance breeders and riders where Barakah’s worth is well recognised. Most of the current female line breeding stock is in the Akasha stud of John Ackerman. I have here at Perseverance Stud Al-Borak Omarakha who is a great-granddaughter of Barakah on both sire and dam’s side via Vlinkfontein Barakite, thus of the strain K. Mimreh. I have bred her to a stallion, Franelzi Isadan who is a son of Vlinkfontein Isadora out of Vlinkfontein Barakite out of Barakah, thus he too is KM strain. Through his sire, Charmante Ibn Ziyadan, he is also a double great-grandson of Barakah. This stallion was selected deliberately. The match produced a fine colt (almost a year old now) who belongs to Johan van Gerwe. The mare is due to foal early next year to the same mating. I am hoping for a filly. We will probably repeat the same mating after that.
Thanks for a fount of information, I haven’t begun to scratch the surface.
regards, Laura
Thanks for the kind words Laura. Let your friends know about the site! The more you read, the more we write.
To Calvyn and everyone interested
The owner of Kibriya Nishkur is Alta Krigler of the Kitima stud at Burgerfort. She acquired this wonderful horse from the van Schalkwyks of the Kibriya stud with our help, that’s how I know about this info. The owner does not own any asil mares and at one time looked for an asil mare to breed to him. Calvyn, if you use this horse you will do the KM Asil breeding a Big favour. I saw all his foals and even own one and are very happy with the results.
Greetings
Wian Steynberg
Calvyn
Please will you send me the whereabouts and progany of Asad Nikita(Maistro x Sidi Halima by Sahiby Gamaal El Arab out of Sahiby Juleemah (Ahir x Sahiby Noura)?
Greetings
Wian Steynberg
Alias TUWAISAAN
This info comes from the website http://www.bahrainroyalstud.com/export.htm
There is also a photo of him if you are intrested.
Dr. Valerie Noli – Marais admired him as an outstanding specimen of an Arabian horse during her visit to Bahrain in 1968. He was sent to South Africa as a gift to her.
It is reputed that he won 54 races in Bahrain prior to his importation to South Africa.
Tuwaisan produced only 7 foals during his very short breeding career at her Sahibi Arabian Stud.
Note:
The earlier pedigree were derived from names as given by dr. Noli-Marais in an article in a SARAB.
The pedigree as it is now in my Wijost Arab Program, was supplied by Jehangir Rustomjee of the Royal Stud of Bahrain.
>Quote JR
“This is as far as we go so that we are completely accurate. You will note that some horses have no numbers eg. the three Tuwaisah mares and the Shawaf stallion. It must be understood that this pedigree was drawn up before registration procedures started in Bahrain, so only the recognised horses in the pedigree are numbered.”
MLOLSHAAN ALMARSHOOSH 514
DHAHMAAN ALAWWAL 530
DHAHMA ALSHAGHARA 527
Sire: JELLABY ALWAZMIYA 548
WADHNAAN ALASDAY 511
JELLABIEH ALSHAFQA 531
JELLABIEH BINT JELLABIEH 513
TUWAISAN Regnr:229/02 Born:1955/01/01 Sex:S Alias: Tuwaisaan
JELLABY ALMARSHOOSH ALAWWAL 508
JELLABY ALMARSHOOSH ALTHAANI 517
JELLABIEH 510
Dam : TUWAISAH 3
SHAWAF db
TUWAISAH 2
TUWAISAH 1
Greetings
Wian Steynberg
Sorry, when the pedigree was posted it was altered. It does not show as it was send.
Wian
Hi Edouard
I came accross this site whilst looking for information regarding the history of the Barakah bloodline as I have a mother and her 4year old daughter from the Gordonville farm. The daughter, I named Morgan, after her previous owner Moira Kingwill and the farm where she was born, Gordonville. Anyway, I just happened to read that someone thought the Barakah bloodline was dead.
Regards
Gill
Dear Wian,
Feel free to contact me direct about Nikita and her progeny. uniceann@mweb.co.za
Regards
Calvyn
Laura,
I am very happy to read in your posting that Barakah blood are precious to the Endurance scene in South-Africa. Can you elaborate more for what reason apart from her bloodline and maybe some info of great achiements that sparked the interest even more. Calvyn
Edouard
Isn’t it interesting how more and more people are coming to the front with bits of information about te Legendary Barakah. I knew her Legacy would some day be recognised and I would like to thank you for creating this oppertunity where people can meet and gain knowledge. Keep up the good work!
Calvyn
Thanks for the kind words Calvyn. The thread you helped start on “Daughter of the Wind” is the most popular (55 comments and counting), so I should be thanking you..
about 20 years ago I worked for a couple of Stud Farms in South Africa. One of them also had horses from Dr Nolie Marais stud, one was a daughter of Robdon Zingari (Zahir/Yasimet)Sahiby Miriam. They also had Sahiby Layla, an Ahir son and progeny of Tuwaisan they purchased for endurance originally. The stud was Ordep, owned by Rose and Pedro Michaletos.
Hi Catherine,
This is interesting news. Correct me if I’m wrong but I understand that modern day Endurance horses in S.A with the Ordep prefix in their pedigrees are doing very well in present competition. It almost seems as though the weel has gone full circle. The stud farms you mention incorporated these bloodlines 20 years ago and today people with an interest in Endurance breeding seem to be very keen to bring it back into their breeding programs. 20 years is too long….. Let’s not waste any more time.
Calvyn
Hi everyone
just a quick update. On our recent visit to Jack Maritz farm, I was privileged to see the latest generation of Asil KM Baraka decendants and I can only say, they are simply stunning. Jack has used Ansata Aly Sherif and MD Al Shakel on the KM mares and those foals are truly exquisite! The KM horses are going from strength to strength
On our next visit I will ask Jack to allow photos that I can post here
kind regards
zandri
Just wanted to mention the latest news from South Africa.
The Israeli-bred asil stallion *Atiq Haleeb was just named both Champion Stallion and Supreme Champion Stallion at this first overseas show – at Worcester, Western Cape, South Africa, January 2009.
Way to go, Haleeb!
Congratulations to his new owners, the Botha Family of Namibia.
We remain the very proud breeders.
Zviah,
David Botha is a good friend of mine. He sent me pictures of Haleeb taken on that very show you mention. He is simply stunning!! Congratulations to the proud breeders and owners.
Calvyn
Dear Calvyn,
Thanks for your kind words. We are eager to see what Haleeb might do at the South African National Championship show in April. We think that the Bothas are the perfect owners for Laheeb and are hopeful that he will have much to contribute to asil breeding in Africa.
Could you tell us more about what MD Al Shakel has been doing since in S Africa, as he is also Israeli-bred and a fine show horse?
Thanks again,
Tzviah
Tzviah,
To be honest, I haven’t been to a lot of shows lately. I know a lot of people are speaking very fondly of him and also his progeny. I must make a trip to Jack and see for myself. That’s all I know I know at this stage.
I might also attend the Nationals as a spectator and will hold thumbs for Haleeb.
Regards
Calvyn
Hi everybody!
I know this is going to look really stupid and people may ask “Where have you been?”, but can anybody help me with regards to the stallion El Nasser?
What’s the story?
I have people telling me that his ancestry is suspect and that he is accepted by certain organisations.
Can somebody please clear this up for me!!
Regards
Wilton
Dear Wilton,
I am so glad that you ask this question. It shows you have the wisdom to question all those backyard breeders giving you the information.
I do not doubt the purity of El Nasser and to proof my point would take a lot of reading material, research and proof beyond doubt. If I can give you good advice I would suggest you contact Joe Ferris (He had a few comments above). He is an absolute professional when it comes to reseach of bloodlines and pedigrees. No wonder Judith Forbis of Ansata Arabians asked him to write the Introduction to her latest publication: Authentic Arabian Bloodstock II.
Realy make the effort to get that answer. You will be very glad you did and you will empower yourself with valueable knowledge.
Enjoy!
Regards
Calvyn
PS. If you do battle to get hold of him I can assist you to get a direct e-mail address.
Hi Guys,
I accidently came accross the above posts and am extremely glad I did,I mean I feel like a man who had won a lottery.
Hi guys,
So glad I came accross this site and you can be sure I will, in the future, be a regular visitor.Just thought I will share with you guys some info relating to Gordonville Ziyadan.I bought a chestnut mare in 1998 called Thareek when she was 3yrs old.She is the daughter of Sheraba Archon out of Shiraz bint al Kharif.Archon is the son of Sahiby Nafees(son of Ahir)This mare ,Thareek is a decendent of Gordonville Ziyadan.I was then informed that the person who bred her never registered her.I have since bred two fillys from her.The first with the stallion Halliford Achim and the second with the stallion Jorhemar al Kharnak.I am presently breeding for endurance horses with all three of them.One stallion I am using is Banghor Montego,a decendent of Nyashin el Shaklan.In 1998 I tried to register her but the then President of the Society,Bob Hepburn said I could not do so for reasons of ,good business practice,as he put it.It seems to me that the American Arabian Horse Registry allows for registration of horses older than 2 years to be registered,why not South-Africa?I mean this mare could just as well have been an Asil horse!!!!!Anyway I would appreciate it if the South-Africans visiting this site and who have some muscle with the Society will support the passing of a rule that will bring this into effect or at least explain to me the reasoning behind this rule.You can contact me on cois007@ananzi.co.za Thanx Edouard just thought you will find this interesting…I mean I have got three purebred Arabians and not one is registered????:-(
Francois
While I am here can you please tell me more about this mare of mines strain???She is a Kuhaylan Dajanieh…Thanx
Francois
Hallo, I am looking for the contact details of David Botha. Would like to find out if he has any Arabian stallions for sale in Namibia. Atiq Haleen is a beautiful horse. We want to buy an Arabian stallion in Namibia to breed with our Arab mare.
Dear Janke,
Here is contact information for David Botha:
One of these emails will work for sure.
davidbotha@yahoo.com
davidbothat@aol.com
Cellphone: +264811499256
Good luck stallion shopping and thank you for your kind words about Atiq Haleeb.
Best wishes,
Tzviah Idan
(Breeder of Atiq Haleeb)
What an extraordinary thread. Reads like a detective novel, mystery, thriller, family saga, romance gone wrong, but happily resolved in the end. When this heat wave is over (Sirocco blowing here, thanks so very much Africa!) I will go back and read it all again.
Thank you all who created this enlightening thread.
Hallo Tzviah, thank you for the info. I will contact David in Namibia. We want to start breeding Arabians in Namibia. I will check on the mare we have and see if i have any information that you can help me with. I am very interested in Egyption lines and also Crabett.If you have any advise for me, please let me know.We have a game farm near Dordabis, thus the horses will have a wonderful place to live.The mare we own is called Zina and she is a great endurance horse. We have been offered quite a some of money from an Arabian buyer but we are not selling her.This site is exteremly interesting and I have learned so much. Thank you. kind regards janke
An interesting historical fact concerning Gordonville Ziyadan (Zahir x Baraka), is that he was probably the very last horse that traced exclusively to Al Khamsa’s EGYPT I ancestral element.
For those who may not know, from the Al Khamsa website : “Of the many hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Arabian horses imported to Egypt prior to 1900, only 47 managed to breed on and become Al Khamsa Foundation Horses. These are the EGYPT I horses which include the horses of Abbas Pasha, Ali Pasha Sherif and other breeders in Egypt who imported Foundation Horses between about 1840 through the late 1890’s. All modern Egyptian and part Egyptian Arabians trace to most of these Foundation Horses. It is no longer possible to find horses of strictly EGYPT I ancestry.”
Gordonville Ziyadan was of strictly EGYPT I ancestry.
Hi Chris,
Thanks for your writing. It is very interesting! There are a few owners of Gordonville Ziyadan blood in South-Africa and I am sure they will feel very proud to learn this about him.
Calvyn
Hi Tzviah, I bought 2 mares from David Botha that was covered by Atiq Haleeb, as well as a filly from Willie Brown out of Haleeb and Adanha, an El Shaklan daughter. The mares from David is called Lil a Bad and Zad El Rakib. Both straight Egyptian.Dawid Botha is back in the USA with Michael Byatt. Will let you know how the foals turn out from Atiq Haleeb. regards janke
Hi Janke
I used Atiq Haleeb on my Shams el Faren Mare, and my Filly is fantastic I am weaning her this month, she is everything we hoped dhe would be and MORE! Goodluck with your breeding program.
Dear Janke and Amy,
What luck that I reread this thread today to see your posts. Would be delighted to open a correspondence with you both and hear more about your horses, and especially how the addition of the blood of Atiq Haleeb has influenced your programs. I do not know much at all about David’s program, and any information about your mares would be simply wonderful.
Can’t wait to see photos of the Shams el Faren mare.
Please write me directly at idanatiq@gmail.com .
With best wishes to you both,
Tzviah
I find this blog so interesting and want to sy hi to friends that I know.I just bought a mare out of Thee Cyclone and found that she relates back to Baraka through Vlinkfontein Barakite that was bred to Anchor Hill Omar(Char EchoX Anchor Hill Bint Gamilaa) and bred Vlinkfontein Omar that was the great grandfather to my mare Kanna Cyline.Very interesting.Thank you for all the information.
Hi
I am trying to trace the bloodline of a friends arab.
He was bred by Noli Marais. His sire is Minit Tarak – but I cannot find this detail anywhere so not sure if this is correct.
He is a bay gelding, 15 years old, born Jan 4th.
His name is Raktha
Any help – please email me ntillett@gmail.com
Thanks
hi,
I am a novice Arab enthusiast/addict, and would like some more information an the Ahir blood lines. I am struggling to find any real information on the net, if anyone can give me advice it would be much appreciated.
Regards
Hallo Liske
I’m just as new at this, but starting out with a whole stud of Ahir-strong mares! One of the Ahir sons were Sidi Zahid. A beautiful big horse, proven in endurance and with the most amazing temperament. The stud that I’m buying used him on all their mares and Im now carrying on with that offspring. To breed hopefully (if he lasts) to Sidi Egyptian King – also double Ahir from his mother’s side.
Good luck with your searches! (And keep me informed please: adele@isabis4x4.com)
Hi All, Barakah was sold to my oupa Con Kingwill shortly after her arrival in South Africa. My love for arabs started when i heard all the stories about her and my oupa had several photo’s of her around his house. It is so nice to read all the comments about the horse that my Oupa loved so much!!
Tyne, do you have some of these photos? and can you share them with us?
Hello, anyone from South Africa knows how I could join Mrs. Zandri Reynolds? The usual email address now bounces back.
Hi All. I was fortunate to aquire Assad Nikita (Asil) hereself at 21 years old just recently. She has Ahir 3 times in her near pedigree and also has the barakah dam line. She was put to Kromar Xoyatan from the Asil Rosina and Nabilah line. Expecting the foal later in 2017. Very exited!
HI chris..
I have a Gordonville Ziyadan line in one of my mares…
Thanks for the info…