Two videos on Barb and Arabian horse breeding in North Africa
Fabienne Vesco, from France, shared these two informative videos about Barb and Arabian horse breeding in North Africa. It mainly talks about Arabian horses in the context of Arab Barb breeding for remounts, but also in the context of preservation breeding.
The Tiaret Arab mares are amazing in the 2nd video, what a shame the French took later such wrong direction.
IMO, Tiaret had the best mares in the Arab world of any government stud until the 1950s, far better than El Zahraa at the time. The daughters of Ghalbane, Masbout, Nemshi, and later in the 1980s the daughters of Larabi and Guercif were just some of the best Arabian mares ever bred.
The stallion Linden Tree was not a Barb.
This is a false information. Why do people only write so much bullshit?.
Listen, please: 1874 – *LINDEN TREE/Ihlamur A?ac?, Grey Stallion foaled in Abdul Aziz’s Ka?ithane – stables in Istanbul, from Inak;1857, Grey Stallion, b. Biala Cerkiew, imp. from Poland. His Dam “Doru Hamde”(Bay Hamda), was a Hamdaniye Simriye by a Maneki Sübeyhi.
In the Imperial stables and stud farms of the Ottoman dynasty, there was no Barb’s.
We have Pure bred Arabian horses.
These came from the Bedouins and also from the stud Bialecerkiew from Poland.
Linden Tree was born in 1874, specifically bred by Sultan Abdulaziz I. and not of Abdülhamid II.
In 1864 the Sultan Abdulaziz I, founded a new farm, building with Arabian horses and sent a commission to purchase in Bialocerkiew, the stud of Count Branicki in Poland, whose breeding have a very good reputation.
The Commission purchased 92 horses, including some descendants of the 1855 stallion Indjanin imported from England.
In 1879 gave the Sultan Abdulhamid II, two stallions from this stable, Leopard and Linden Tree, as a gift to President Grant in the United States.Also the Blunt’s visited in 1893 the imperial stables, in this Time,there were about 1,700 Purebred Arabian horses.
Linden Tree was an Arabian stallion, on Hamdani and Kuhaylan inbred lines.
He founded a stallion line in the Turkish Arabianhorse breeding program, but extinct in 1975.
http://?www.allbreedpedigree.com/?seyran+1
Abdülhamid II’s reign, from 1876 only until 1909.
Also Abdühamid II was not the last sultan, he was suceeded by Mehmed V., and Mehmed VI., was the last sultan.
@Teymur
That’s very interesting, didn’t know that but meanwhile I found out more about it.
That would mean that Turkish Arabians are not ‘asil’ after all? Because besides the desert imports there were also horses from the sultans stables used to found the new state Arab horses breeding in 1923? Bummer … also explains why they started using Polish stallions more recently again?
Amazing that the Ottoman sultan bought Arab horses in Poland while he controlled the source countries where the Poles came to buy desert stock.
Wow, the begening of the 2nd video is very precious, never sow it before.
maybe the white mares are Bango & Ghalbane daughters!
That is true arabians
Dans la 1ère video, L’étalon bai vu furtivement à 11.37 min est Masbout, j’en suis presque sûr. Ce cheval a marqué très fort sa production, et Belle de jour, sa petite fille, ressemblait beaucoup à ce cheval bai qu’on voit ici.
Est ce que le gris qu’on voit juste avant est Ghalbane? je n’en suis pas aussi sûr!
@patrick
First, I will tell you about Biala Cerkiew.
In 1728 Count Franciszek Ksawery Branicki in a place called Biala Cerkiew started a polish arabian stable. It started out from 30 broodmares and 2 stallions but by 1802, it counted 100 broodmares. In 1836 Count Wac?aw Branicki bought the sire Wernet db. from Russia to his stud in Bia?a Cerkiew
It must of had been a quality stable because when the Sultan of Turkey Abdülaziz decided to start a arabian stable in Istanbul he based his stable on Biala Cerkiew horses buying 106 horses, 90 broodmares and fillys,and 2 stallions: Jarzmo & Junak. When it was divided in 1870, it had sold already 2,009 horses and had given away 1,231 horses as gifts. In modern times that is 3,240 horses, you can just imagine what a great influence it had on other arabian stables. Since it was the farthest in the east side of Poland, it was destroyed totally during wartime.
@patrick, Judging by the pedigree of Linden Tree, he was Asil.