Vice-Regent, 1991 Hamdani Simri stallion, USA
Vice-Regent CF (Regency CF x Violetta CF by Salutation), a Hamdani Simri tracing to Galfia, bred by Craver Farms, and owned by Randy Abler, is yet another candidate for breeding Jadiba in a couple weeks. He is one of the very few Davenport stallions registered for shipping semen. Photos courtesy of Jeanne Craver. More photos of him here, on Randall’s website.
What a solid powerful looking horse. Love those tight little lips.
This is probably *Urfah’s bay gene that he is sporting (more technically, he has *Urfah’s E allele). Dharebah, Prince Hal, and Viola, on his dam’s side, were all apparently ee.
I thought the bay was coming from the double Salan through Kamil Ibn Salan (then Salutation) and Saranah (then Ibn Alamein), and that in turn this came from Abeyah through Harara-Antez-Salan..
The bay (E allele) cannot come through Regency CF because he is chestnut (ee).
And it cannot come through Antez and Harara, because they were also chestnut.
The bay color (E allele) descends as follows:
Vice Regent CF (Ee, gg)
Violetta CF (Ee, Gg)
Salutation (Ee, gg)
Kamil Ibn Salan (Ee, gg)
Salan (Ee, gg)
Fasal (Ee, gg)
*Hamrah (Ee, gg)
*Urfah (Ee, gg)
I like him very much!
I find it less confusing to think of E as “black pigment” and e as “red pigment, and then A as “bay pattern” and a as “solid pattern”.
your mileage may vary —
I have never claimed that it is the mares named Leyla, the mother of Exochorda.
Some people, like Ralph Suarez have the name Leyla read,what I have written and he thought it could be handled by this certain Leyla.
But I have compared the pedigree.
The colors and the fathers of these mares are not identical with the mother of Exochorda.
There were three mares with the nickname: Leyla
1.)Lâle Gül =Leyla,chestnut (Roan) 1915 Mare
Sire: Maneki Subeyli,
Dam: Seklaviye Cedraniye
The mare was earlier in the year 1920 to 1922/23, leased to the Scots Mr.Oakes to Cairo.
He bred a foal from her name: Marguerite
Then came the mare back to Istanbul, and was later confiscated in 1924.
Then moved to Urfa and then sold to an Englishman.
No further information received.
2.)Leylat ül Kadir=Leyla,Gray or Fleabitten 1915 Mare
Sire:Hamdani Simri
Dam:Seklaviye Cedraniye
to Prince Kemal el Din Hussein as a gift 1919/20
No futher information received.
3.)Ay?e Leylâ=Leyla,Apple Gray 1915 Mare
Sire:Maneki Subeyli
Dam:Seklaviye Cedraniye
Breeder: Emir Trad Bin ?alan
given as a gift to Prince Kamal El Dine Hussein
imported February 1920 to Cairo by a Captain Owens
All this Info from Prince Lütfullâh,(He was the Uncle by my
Paternal Grandfather).
He has this Info from Mr.Ali al Barazi,he was a
Syrian horsebreeder from Hama who had lived in Egypt where he raced Arabian.
horses.
He bought a lot of Horse’s from Urfa to Egypt.
That’s all…I have never before known something about a mare named Exochorda.
Even now I do not know who or what this mare with these 3 “Leyla’s”
will have to do.
I’ve never claimed anything other than this info.
Some People put words in my mouth that I have never claimed.
I have other worries and problems, as I have to bother about any horse.
I also do not understand what my story has anything to do by Ralp Suarez blog?
Please where I copied something from Him?
Nothing.
But some people claim that in horse forums.
Best wishes
This horse would be my pick for Jadiba because I like his look. But really I think you should pick the stallion with the conformation you like best and with the best temperament. Temperament is inherited so if the mare is a nervous type (I don’t know if she is) then breeding her to a very calm stallion would hopefully result in the foal taking on the sire’s good nature. The stallion I used to have was very laid-back and very inquisitive. All his foals were the same even out of mares who were frightened of people from lack of handling or rough treatment from previous owners. When I went to feed them or do something to them, the foals would come straight over when they saw me coming while their mothers stood away, even when the foals grew up and had foals themselves. Despite the fact I didn’t have time to handle them all they still wanted to be near me and let me touch them. Foals I had sired by another stallion were not like that – they took on their sire’s nervous temperament.
Randalls’ website photos of Vice regent
are quite revalatory. The details of the headshot emphasize the large jowls and cranial box without the teeny toy horse muzzle so often seen today. And of course one of the trotting pics shows Regent using his neck quite nicely. Ties in with having Ibn Alamein up close in the pedigree I suppose.
Best wishes
Bruce Peek
Edouard,
You have over looked one stallion, Levantine! Born 1999, chestnut. very interesting Stallion! Non Tripoli, extremely handsome and correct.
Where is he now?
Bruce, what do yo think of Vice-Regent’s coupling, the length of his back, the placement of his neck and his tail carriage?
I believe Levantine is still with the Cravers.
they have Twickenham and Mohican but not Levantine as far as I know..
Why not just ask Jeanne or Charles where he is? I thought he left there six or so years back? He really is a handsome horse! And his breeding is perfect for what you described as necessary for your mare. As to his health or otherwise I have no idea.
Sorry; I was out on a tractor the last couple of days. Levantine is with Nancy Becker, where he is enjoying life with Tantris and Haffiad. Nancy and Jenny give them plenty of loving and miles under saddle….
I think Vice Regent will do very nicely!
Edouard; One answer to all of the questions- to me they are perfect!Where do you see couplings like that nowadays?Where do you see short backs like that anymore? As for his neck it is indeed set up more than halfway up the distance of his shoulder- so is ,’highset,’. Just think how much he would improve general list, Thoroughbred, and warmblood mares brought to him. I wonder if he has frozen semen?
Best wishes
Bruce Peek
Wups, I see by the website they do. Good news!
Bruce Peek