Introducing new guest blogger: “Pure Man”
I am honored to introduce “Pure Man” as the latest addition to the growing list of the “Daughter of Wind” guest bloggers. Of all the distinguished ladies and gentlemen who have contributed (and still contribute for some) to this blog from time to time, “Pure Man” is the one I know least. In fact, I know about him just as much as most of you do.
I know that he is a citizen of the Kindgom of Saudi Arabia, that he breeds desert-breds (real ones, not Egyptians labeled as “desert Arabians” for marketing purposes), and that he hails from the one of the largest, most noble and most powerful Bedouin tribes of Najd. I know he has the courage and the intellectual honesty to speak his mind, and that he is a straight shooter. I know that he comes from a civilization _ the Bedouin civilization – where being politically correct is certainly less valued than being honest and true to ones beliefs.
His name and the name of his tribe will not be disclosed here, to protect him, unless he chooses otherwise. His opinions – and I do not necessarily agree with all of them — and his style have ruffled the feathers of some, and angered others, including powerful people in his own country. This is done so he can continue to speak his mind freely.
“Pure Man” brings the “Voice of the East” to this blog – the Bedouin East. He is an invaluable asset to those among us, inlcuding myself, who wish to better understand the mindset of the people who were the first custodians of this breed of horse we are enamored with. By this, I don’t mean to say that he speaks for all the Bedouins of Arabia. His opinions on the breed may differ from that of other Bedouins. But he will certainly bring us one step closer to the Arabian horse in its original environment, which is one of the purposes of this blog.
Another purpose is to use the Arabian horse as a bridge between East and West, between different locations, different cultures, different world perspectives. This requires an effort from both sides. But it’s an effort well worth making. So, welcome, pure man.
PS: I will be translating your emailed posts, from Arabic to English, and posting them under your name.
Welcome from all of us!
Welcome Pure Man.
Can we ask you about the stallion Mlolshaan Hager Solomon from Bahrain.
His Sire:
Rabdaan Alwasmy M19 by Ma’anaghy Alahmar M20 out of Rabda M16.
His dam:
Mlolesh Asila M105 by Sharid [c1960 grey Saqlawi stallion from the Sa’ud Royal Stud at Riyadh, presented to the Amir of Bahrain in 1964] out of Mlolesh 117 [by Jellaby Alwasmiya out of Mlolesh 131].
Do have info or pictures of his dam Mlolesh Asila?
Alhan wa’sahlan, Pure Man, and thank you for all that you share. The information and photos are fascinating.
Welcome Pure Man. It is an honor to meet and learn from you.
Janie
First welcome! Pure Man
My question is! do you know old Bedouin People who ride the Bedouin style of riding . And the old training of horses in Najd.Because I teach some horses.
I hope in Bdouin style .Thank you !
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Welcome for All
I do not have pictures of his dam Mlolesh
Mlolsh no information I think from Iraq
And he had a blood of Ma’anaghy and Not pure Horse and not Asil
and do not breding fron him
any stallion have a blood of Ma’anaghy Not pure Horse
The Mlolesh strain is Weak
Why not pure? Who said so? Please explain.
the Problem Ma’anaghy blood
the Ma’anaghy is not from Al Khamsa (the five Horses) and unknown parentage
it is Arabian Horses But is not allowed for breding
no any stallion for breding We must See the bedigree And it must be Without a doubt no Ma’anaghy blood no any Weak strain
any mares have Ma’anaghy blood Or another blood of Weak strain no Problem
We keep Females Only and Males Were killed
You know my opinion: Managhi like any other.
But I want to talk about this. Why did Bahrain people breed Managhi if not pure?
All the horses of the people is Mixed Arabian Horses bloods (Weak strains and Managhi)
Only Sheikh Mohammed bin Salman al Khalifa good breed his Arabian Horses no Mixed .When he Choose the stallion he Take Care .
thes people Present stallion Mixed blood to any People for Gift Because not allowed for them and not for breeding
and good stallion blood they keep it for them
But look at the stallion of Jenny Lees in the UK: Krayaan Dilmun: His sire is Ma’naghi Nadeem and he was bred by Shaykh Muhammad Ben Salman:
http://www.pearlislandarabians.co.uk/Our%20Horses/Asil%20Horses/krayaan%20dilmun.htm
So Shaykh Mohammad uses Managhi as a stallion. Why?
Hello! Let us see some pictures of this nice horses with riders please ! We always see them in pictures without rider.Where are the rider?I think horse + rider or (human) is the way in last hunred of years. Because we do it together( work ,war or fun )
Who ride this wonderfull Najd horses ?Thank You
Joksimovic
I do not know him and the person who told me About his Horses .the Kray for Some of his cousins of Shaykh Mohammad .
and HAMDANIEH HABIBA is for Shaykh Issa
Look to the bedigree HAMDANIEH HABIBA you Will Find her Sire:RABDAAN ALAHMAR thes stallion Very good blood and asil
is RABDAAN Khchibi thes is I want Like it
If Bahrain People Mixed the blood Will Come Not be pure
our Horses Better then Bahrain horses
and Najd horses is best pure horses
and BlueStar horses is best and pure then Bahrain horses.
and Specials Highs BlueStar Like Edie Booth horses and Troy Patterson
this is a horses I can Confidence and Believe it is pure
and There is Bahrain MARE is Dahma it is stil pure In America and All old information With Edouard al-Dahdah he can explain to you and Translates to you
I’m sorry I make a mistake Between
RABDAAN ALAHMAR Sire:RABDAAN ALAHMAR thes stallion Very good blood and asil
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rabdaan+alahmar
and MAANAGHY ALAHMAR this stallion not pure not asil
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/maanaghy+alahmar
I respect your opinion on Managhis even if I don’t share it.
But you need to tell us, where this opinion comes from. Is it from the books of Raswan, because I don’t trust him, or is from the Najd Bedouins?
It is not from our horses .It is from the north not from Najd
the Bedouins Like Shammar tribe and Anazah tribe they Found Managhis and Other horses In the north .It is Called the Northern.they are Did not bring from najd to the north.
Because no one can Say was originally In the past from Najd horses
and These horses did not have prove it is Kuhaylah It is not known Where Come
the Najd Bedouins Not allowed to breeding
from the Northern horses (stallion)
Who is breeding
from the stallion of Managhis and jelfa and Makladih and Dajani and another.
Abbas Pasha he Did not breed the stallion of Managhis and another
and How come the stallion of Managhis Mixed the blood to Egyptian Arabian horses it is come from stallions of Lady Anne Blunt .Because Egyptian people Imported 18 stallions from Lady Anne Blunt horses.
There are two Arabian horses types
1- on Type is allowed to Used his stallions for breeding thes Called pure horses Sometimes Comes not beautiful and not fast it is good the blood Like all Kahilah
2-another Type not allowed to Used his stallions for breeding Only Used his mares for breeding thes Called al mardih or Alqreif Sometimes Comes a beautiful and fast Better than pure horses thes Like Managhis and another
This is true Bahrain Arabian horses it is Good Very pure asil see the bedigree
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=HAMDANIEH+DAMGHAH&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=
Any Arabian horse did not her history Start in the past from Najd horses it is not pure horses But you can breeding his mares Only and do not Used his stallions .
Should be the Owners of Egyptian horses and Polish horses they do not her stallions Because Mixed blood it is Not on Bedouins Traditions
they Should Find stallions another asil Line
Here a copy of the book first record from Zahra of Egyptian horses They say we Buy from Lady Anne Blunt horses 18 stallions
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and Some mares of Lady Anne Blunt horses
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Some mares of Lady Anne Blunt horses
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Dear Pure man. As you talk about Abbas Pacha in regards to Ma’anaghi, allow me to quote
Mohammed Pacha,in the book of Louis Mercier, “Mo’annaqiya family belong to Koheilet El Ajuz from the Beni-Modlij and Tijariyat.”
“In Syria Exists Arabian horses nammes Hidaba divided in 5 branchs: Mo’annaqiya – Da’anajiya – Jo’eïtiya – Foreïja.
those branchs also subdivided by
El Jalfy which gave Sa’d-et-Tuqan, El-Roceiny – El Roteimy – El’ajamy.
Mo’annaqiya gave Mo’annaquiyet-es-Sobeïny.
Arnault, who is the Mohammed Pacha quoted in Mercier’s book?
Mohammed Pacha, quoted in the book of Mercier, is the son of Emir Abdelkader. He published a book in Beyrut and Stanbul on 1907, named “Nokbat iqd al ajiyad fi safinat ajjiyad” Nothing to do with Abbas Pacha and egyptian breeding…
According to Mohammed Pacha, Al Khamsa mares gave lineages as follow:
“Ec-ceqlawiya, El Judran’s mare, gave: El Wabiriya, Nejmet-eç-çobh, el Mri’iya, El Qamiciya.”
“Umm’arqub gave: Asiky.”
“Suweïma, Es-Sebbak’s mare, gave: El Kobeïsa.”
“Koheïla, El-Ajuz’s mare, gave: Ras-El-Fedawi, Et-Tamiry, El-Janub, El-Mo’arif, El-Mendil, El-Moçny, El-Meshud, En-Na’am,
Es-Serif, El-Akras, El-Mokalladiya, Hamdan-Es-Samiry, Et-Tuwaïsiya, Weddnat-El-Koreïs, El-Mo’annaqiya, El-Hadradjiya, El-Joreïba, Umm’amir.”
“‘Obeïa, Es-Serrak mare, gave Umm Joreïç, El-Kadir, Hedbat-El-Basir.”
C’est n’importe quoi ce qu’il dit, ce Mohammed Pacha..
On peut effectivement se demander d’où viennent ses sources!!!… Maintenant “ce Mohammed Pacha” reste le fils de l’Emir Abdelkader. Edouard, si tu trouves son livre qui est en arabe, peut être pourra tu nous en dire plus. Ce que je peux dire, c’est qu’il énumère des préceptes d’équitation
préceptes d’équitation de haut niveau.
C’est vrai, c’est un homme de cheval, rien a dire la-dessus.. mais de la a dire que les Hadban descendent des Obayyan et les Kbayshan des Shuwayman, c’est un peu fort..
Mohammed Ali Pacha What did he sayed in his Book About al Zahra they were breeding
from the Thoroughbred stallions .When they knowed the horse Lost Some characteristics they Given a stallions and colts to Police and he didnot Writed About Foals What happened were is them.
and they Search for asil stallions they can not Find Inside and al Zahra Imported 18 stallions from Lady Anne Blunt horses and from Inshass Stud two stallions .thes Mohammed Ali Pacha sayed in his Book
well noted Pure Man and nice to read you and those precious informations.
Prince Mohammed Ali Pacha
Note that Mohammed Pasha son of Emir Abdel Kader al-Jazairi, is different from Prince Mohammed Ali Tewfik Pasha of Egypt (Manial). Both wrote books about Arabian horses though.
wow, you guys are phenomenol, and i will keep reading for my knowledge, i have 2 mares and a filly that i will try to keep pure all i can…thanks for your info…