More on Kuhaylan Abu Junub in Saudi ArabiaM

By Pure Man

Posted on December 30th, 2009 in Arabia, Saudi

A friend who is around fifty years old just told me that he used to ride the grey mare who is the grand-dam of the chestnut Abu Junub colt when he was young, and that his grand-father had bought the original Kuhaylat Umm Junub mare from the Bedouins on the basis that she was asil, and on the basis of her hujjah which he said contained the seals of tribal Bedouin shaykhs. He said they had bought the original mare from Ibn Rakhis of Shammar who was settled in Rafha to the north of Hafr al-Batin. He also told me that they will look for her hujjah and if they find it, they will give me a copy. So fifty years ago, the tail female of the few Abu Junub horses now in Saudi Arabia were were with Ibn Rakhis from Shammar.

12 Responses to “More on Kuhaylan Abu Junub in Saudi ArabiaM

  1. Recall that a member of this particular Shammar family, Iyadah Ibn Rakhis, conveyed dozens of horses from the desert to Abbas Pasha, according to the Abbas Pasha Manuscript and to Lady Anne Blunt and Prince Mohammed Ali Tewfiq’s notes.

  2. Even in Turkey, the strain is present, through the mare: “Halepgüzeli” (The Beauty of Aleppo), she is listed as Küheyle ummu Cenup (Kuhaylah Umm junub)
    Only a few mares are left, all Asil and all WAHO accepted

    Hhttp://new.ykk.gov.tr/ykkeng/Pedigri.aspx?xsira=3158&Irki=0&xcins=Mare&OlTar= . .1960

    Here is the link in english from the Turkish Studbook.

  3. thank you teymur for this important contribution.

  4. It’s My Pleasure
    Unfortunately, I could not explain to the Turkish Jockey Club, and the state studs, and several private breeders, what it means Asil-Arabian breeding, without Polish Arabian import horses.
    The Turks do not understand it easily.
    I got the following response from the Jockey Club:

    “The Turk asks generally little after that, whether his mare from the Hamdani strain, whether they Sáklavi one – or a Kohlan stallion to father or whether she is one of the favorite mares of the Prophet among their ancestors.
    What he calls necessarily, is that the parents of the mare will be error free, or in other words, a flawless mare of unknown origin is dearer to him than any error which can boast of a brilliant pedigree.
    Instead of the old family name uses the Turk now following designations:
    Tazi = high noble, in which case both parents are free of errors
    Hejin = fail if the mother was ignoble
    Mekuref = erroneous, if the father was ignoble
    Berdun = if both parents were affected by errors”

    This view of the Turks, differs considerably from that of the Bedouins.
    The Turks say that all Arabian-horses that are accepted by the WAHO are Tazi = Asil.
    Thus, they import Polish Arabian horses and pairs them with the Asil breeding material.
    Too bad…
    Especially Turkey would be a paradise for Asil bloodlines.
    The Turkish Arabian breeding is focused on racing performance breeding direction.
    Type-wise, they are most likely to describe as tough and rough.
    Not a show horse as they are known in the West Europe and the United States.
    But at the beginning of the 90 were used to improve type, imported Polish Arabian horses.

  5. This is the correct Link:

    http://new.ykk.gov.tr/ykkeng/Pedigri.aspx?xsira=3257&Irki=0&xcins=Mare&OlTar

  6. Edouard…if you want, i can send you Picture’s of Pure Turkish Arabian Horse’s…Also old Picture’s.
    My Treasure is a Foto of Halepgüzeli…

  7. yes of course i will post them in your name. thank you.

  8. Halepgüzeli Damline:
    Sipe: Grey, 2002, by Taha of Halepgüzeli.1
    Mavi Gözlüm: Chestnut, 2003, by Al-Isik of Halepgüzeli.1
    Salok Kizi: Grey,2001, by Devirhan of Burcu.2 (It has the certificate of breeding).
    Kücük Nafile: Chestnut, 2006, by Turgut Reis of Burcu.2
    Zilonk: Chestnut, 2010, by Alburak of Saloki Kizi
    Yabirgüzeli: Grey, 2001, by Saganak of Sinem.1

  9. I noticed that the tail female line of Halep Güzeli is grown in no more Turkish National Stud.
    I asked why?
    I was told, this tail female line would show, not a good race performance, too slow and annoying.
    They would be overall, not very resistant.
    The stallions of this line would be angry when mating.
    Overall, very restless horse.

    Thus it was removed from the state studs.
    Only in the hands of a few private breeders will find these few mares.

    By the Way…I need your E-Mail …Edouard 🙂

  10. ealdahdah@hotmail.com

  11. Another Kuhaylah Junub Tailefemale in Turkey…also in Private Hand’s:

    Aynur (Küheyle Cenup)…no Umm or Abu…hm…only a Kuhaylah Junub.

  12. Aynur Tailfemale line:

    Berivan.2: Chesnut, 1992, by Tulpar of Kücük Nizal (It has the certificate of breeding).

    Cansel Hatun: Chesnut, 2002, by Beyefendi of Berivan.

    Neshetin Kizi: Bay, 2005, by Nokta Batur of Berivan.

    Egekizi: Bay, 2003, by Ege Batur of Shuveymi Sabah (strange Name, it is a Strain not a given Name)…

    Dere Ruzgari: Bay, 2005, by Özgün Bamka of Shuveymi Sabah.

    http://new.ykk.gov.tr/ykkeng/Pedigri.aspx?xsira=3376&Irki=0&xcins=Mare&OlTar= . .1988

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