Rahim Regency WAF, 1999 asil Ma’naqi Sbayli stallion
Kathy Busch and Crista Couch kindly took a day trip to see the stallion Rahim Regency WAF (Regency CF x Dakhala Sahra) near Kansas City, MO, of which here is a video (click on rahim).
Sired by Regency CF (Ibn Alamein x Bint Antan by El Alamein) and looking very much like his sire, Rahim is the son (and otherwise the only offspring — so far) of my new acquisition, the 26 year old Ma’naqiyah Sbailiyah Dakhala Sahra (Plantagenet x Soiree by Sir). He is some 88% Davenport, with a tail female to Miss Ott’s Sirrula, all the way back to Major Upton’s Naomi.
His owner Joseph Walters, has been breeding him to Polish mares, and was not aware of his Al Khamsa, asil status.
The neck, the balance — the El Alamein came through. However I believe it was Mrs. John Ekern Ott who owned Sirrulla, not her daughter Miss Ott.
RJ thanks for the correction. were they two separate breeding programs? also is the back a tad too long?
Sirrulla was bred by Joseph Zoran. I had a Stallion going back to the same tail female. Then years ago I was familial with Sirrulla, your video shows some of that line from back then. Recently, I also had that line, a Brown Bay Stallion, on my web and is still shown, of the same tail female. A farm here in Taos has a mare sired by the Stallion.
Joseph Zoran, my family, and I were eating breakfast out
when the waiter got caught up in the conversation, sad Joe ended up with coffee on his lap. Was not funny then but certainly heated up the conversation. Many years ago!
Discover is always fun, Jeanne, bred this line for awhile. Both prior to Charles and after. My stallion always reminded me of how I pictured Haleb. Classic!
His daughter is very nice, she had a full brother as well. Both favorites of Morika, the owner breeder, and youngest of my children.
Hope you are able to get your mare with a live foal.
JMH/Bedouin Arabians
Mother / Daughter they had separate ownership’s.
Al Khamsa listings can show you Edouard the separate ways they both had, as to ownership.
They both work with many people, even me. JMH
breeding him to polish mares.. I’d be curous as to how the neck turned out on the polish crosses. Please understand i mean this as no criticism of the davenports but, as a group their biggest fault is a low set neck. However their best asset is a very good hindend, certainly much better than you find on most any new egyptian. The difficulty of course comes in trying to combine the powerful hindend with a highset neck. The lowset upside down neck predisposes the horse to invert- meaning hollow out their back, pop their butt out behind, and then stiffen all four legs. The legs then pound the ground multiplying the force and concussion of every footfall. However if the neck set high it is easier for the rider to induce the horse to keep his neck, back, and legs relaxed and bend his joints as the leg strikes the ground. This in turn dissipates the concussion of the stride hitting the ground and absorbs some of the shock. In turn that means a longer life for the horse because he is less likely to go lame from the pounding of carrying a rider. All cavalry manuals and training methods in every country in the history of the world have always had as their goal getting the horse to relax and arch his neck under saddle by lifting his back which results from lowering his pelvis which is pulled inder himself by flexing his abdominal muscles while keeping his leg joints flexible rather than stiff.
best wishes
Bruce Peek
The stallion mentioned above is HHP Kamil. Both sire and dam tail female’s were Ma’naqiyah. He a very special horse in many ways. jmh
on this page, which one is he, jackson?
http://bedouinarabians.com/page0002stallions.html
also, which is the red bay one with your daughter? wonderful horse!!
He is the brown bay, just below the red bay. The red bay you own. ( Monologue ) A stallion of possible great importance. When here, He listened only for Morika, I always thought he was the most unusual stallion. Deer like quality! I am sure he is still waiting for Morika to come around the corner, they must have had great conversations.
Charles is crazy about, things he could start a completely different group in the Davenports. I guess you will find out?
I have a Monologue Krush son……………bay. Also a Krush chestnut by Pulcher. ( Extremely flea bitten, nothing like the description given above by Bruce as to conformation. )Always exceptions, and we all see through
our own feelings. JMH
The brown bay was very different in real, big, sensitive,
and extremely kind. Fun to ride! He would carry on and on when he heard the car coming home. JMH
Jmh
Bruce, You are right about the low set neck on some Davenports, but NOT all. My mare JADAH CASSIAH could have a better shoulder and neck placement. In contrast to some Babson / Brown horses which have high set neck with more sloping shoulder. I have seen some pictures of combined breeding between Davenport and Babson that I think are nice. Breeding to an outside stallion with both good front and back confirmation can improve on the mare.
Thank you, Bassam. It was always a goal of our breeding program to achieve balance, which includes having a neck of normal length set well, not necessarily high. El Alamein’s influence was excellent in this regard.
I never saw El Alamein, but I was always impressed by the sloping shoulder and corresponding neck set of Ibn Alamein and his get.
Meant to note, Rahim Regency WAF has no registered get in Datasource.
no he does not but he has several foals that were not registered, some of them out of mares that flimsily appear in the video.. I had no idea the horse himself was alive.
Presto CF is an Ibn Alamein son who has sloping shoulder with corresponding neck set as shows his picture:
http://davenporthorses.org/photos/modern-horses/1980s/presto-cf/presto-cf-003.jpg.php
I’m kind of at a loss here, because the Davenport necks have always impressed me! I remember admiring that characteristic from when I was first introduced to the group.
two brothers: Ascendant (Monsoon x Demetria), and Triermain (Thadrian x Demetria):
http://davenporthorses.org/photos/albums/60s-horses/1970s/ascendant.jpg
http://daughterofthewind.org/photos-of-the-day-triermain-cf-at-craver-farms-usa/
the neck of the second looks like it is set higher than the first’s.
Jenny,
Like all things else, the Davenport/Bradley group, can
present flaws as to individuals. However most Davenports that I have known, are exceptional. The various groups show many differing looks, Monologue, above, shows a beautiful Neck.
Most Krush also show wonderful necks, yet, a very different look. Like as stated above each group has its flaws from time to time.
The Hafiat’s also have wonderful necks, and they have exceptional movement.
I once wrote about the Davenports, most are exceptional as to being gifted the ability to learn, smart. However some are not dumb, just perhaps less smart. And then I would wonder about the training or lack. So I would hesitate to put groups of Davenports in to a set pattern.
The wonderful aspect in having these horse is; the opinions generated. Makes for fun reading, listening, and speaking. Each offering input as each extends their own thinking. Question everything even your own questions.
Jackson/Bedouin Arabians
Higher is not always better, of course. How the whole horse works as a unit is important, and what you are planning to do with the horse counts, too!
Can’t hold back any longer on this neck subject… Most pics of horses with high neck carriage are super alert, surprised, or under some environmental stress. A relaxed horse does not have high head carriage. If you look closely at Rahim and locate his withers you will find that he has a very long neck. This is a horse that has
Been self exercising all his life. Would be wonderful to see him in shape, groomed and fit under saddle. I Would take a horse any day that holds his head as this horse does in a work situation. I have
Spent years in competitive trail ( NATRC), a horse is more balanced with low arched neck. I have seen so many that don’t settle into the ride and carry their head high, they are usually exhausted at the end of day and very sore. I’ m talking a min of 20 miles a day in a 2 day
Event..(total of 40 miles min. in a 2day novice event). A working horse needs to be able to see the track he is on to prevent injury to
himself. I have ridden my Crabbet gelding in 10,000 ft altitude on rocky path at an extended trot with his nose 25″ off the ground.
Believe me he was as balanced as a horse can be. I was there for the ride. I think that for show, horses look great with a high head but it isn’t natural carriage. They can develop this.
Kathryn: The whole neck thing is complicated by the necessity for all of the muscles to stay relaxed. This includes the so called scalenus junction where the the bones make their lowest descent, and up at and near the poll where cervical 1 and 2 are located. It is at these two areas where most people cause the horse to brace. When the horse arches his neck the interlacing muscles of the scalenus flex and slightly straighten out, and lessen the dip of the spine causing the neck to arch and to appear to raise. If simultaneously the poll or mitbah muscles stay relaxed the horses head can be vertical and he can certainly look over his surroundings. We also want ALL of the horses other muscles to stay relaxed, so the smart thing is to supple the horses loin as well as his neck. Suppling of the neck and the loin is what french high school is all about. French High School meaning true masters like Phillippe karl and craig stevens. Edouard is fortunate to have many contacts in France. It would be nice if he could ask them about who is taking up the mantle of high school and following in Karls footsteps.
Best wishes
Bruce Peek
I don’t know about his length of back. Sometimes I think the camera makes a horse look elongated.