Montezuma, Kuhaylan Hayfi Davenport stallion
This horse is actually Montezuma (Sir x Tara), a Kuhaylan Hayfi of Davenport lines that was mostly used to produce half-Arabs.
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This horse is actually Montezuma (Sir x Tara), a Kuhaylan Hayfi of Davenport lines that was mostly used to produce half-Arabs.
I saw Wilton Burger’s Facebook post with this photo captioned as Ibn Fadls Finale. At the time I was thinking, “She looks so much like a Sir (a Davenport).”
“She” did indeed! One of Montezuma’s half-Arab daughters, JJ Brandy, was a multiple National Champion in Park (3-Gaited). I wish Charles had borrowed him back for a breeding or two, back in the early 70s!
Boy do the warmbloods need what the Davenports have to offer! I just looked at a 6 year old Cor de le Bryere line Holstein gelding. He bucked on the lunge line so bad he actually threw off his splint boots! No joke. The thing is he and his sire and brother all had Raffles like heads and short little backs, over 8 inch cannon bone and strong couplings. But- totally lost in the mind! Is there a resevoir if you will, of Davenport semen that’s frozen? I would hesitate to go with Shagyas’ in light of the osteo- chondrosis desicans , and skeletal deformities issues. ALL of the Davenports it has been my pleasure to closely observe have had superb minds.
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Bruce Peek
I evidently need to transfer my comment about horses with a good canter here!
@Bruce, Porte CF is available via frozen; some other Davenport stallions might be as well. Also, this is the first I’ve heard of issues in Shagyas, not that I know much about them – is there a source of information where I can go read up more on this?
There are a small number of Davenport stallions that are frozen, and more that ship with cooled semen.
Thank you Ralph…goes to show dont trust everything you see or read on Facebook
Jeanne Craver was kind enough to let me know that it is indeed not Ibn Fadls Finale.
Kate: Well I had horrid experiences with the Shagyas in this country.. The idea of a shagya is a really good one- basically the Hungarians wanted to create a large number of cavalry horses that could stay until the flames of hell froze over and then keep running on the ice. The problem with the purebred arabians they had started breeding since 1789- two years before Weatherbys stud book first came out was that their desertbred horses were too small and crazy. So, the plan first implemented after Shagya reportedly bred by the Bani Sakher(sp) said to be a Seglawy Sheify was imported in 1836, was to keep the Arab puppy dog disposition, agility and endurance, whilst breeding a larger horse that could carry an average size trooper and his accoutrements. They largely succeeded. However after the “discovery” of Shagyas from an article by Betty Finke in the Arabian Horse World in 1984 or 85, certain americans went to Western Europe to buy Shagyas used at the time to fix the brains and athletic ability of the then too large and coarse Warmbloods without losing cannon bone size. Certainly a winning formula, when you consider how much breeding for example Bajar, an Obayan line Shagya jumping sire, did to help the Warmbloods – witness the French Anglo Arab Bonaparte, and the B line Holstein jumpers. However,- being greedy slime buckets, the Europeans decided to victimize the americans coming to buy Shagyas by unloading their unsound culls some of whom not only passed on Osteo Chondrosis desicans but additional grossly unsound skeletal deformitys like badly windswept legs, wretchedly weak stifles, post leggedness, malformed offset spines, and according to one Shagya breeder who went broke using “approoved.’ Shagya sires, stood as high as a strong 14 .3 hands tall( and also had a ewe neck- and sired ewe necks too) The breeder never took the chance of even getting her horse off her farm, yet still claimed he had a wonderful disposition, uh huh right. She ended up going more than broke and her starving horses which she continued to breed, were rescued and confiscated, with the whole episode
being on the local Fox news station. Meanwhile the small gang of admirers of the U.S. Shagya ,’Queen,’ continued until a few years ago with their dressage princess wanna be fairy tale fantasy of approving horses for breeding who couldn’t lift their back into a true collected trot- showed a clear inability to mentally focus on simple movements and were frequently injuring themselves. The result was that you couldn’t give u.s. bred Shagyas away and if you considered buying one you were subjected to a litany of excuses about why the seller had never gotten the horses trained beyond sometimes going for a walk maybe sometimes trot trail ride. Oh, and sometimes the wanna be seller would disclose if the horse had ocd- sometimes not. The one ethical Shagya breeder in the u.s. that I encountered was Linda Rudolphy of Illinois. She bred the Stallion Budapest- who was extremely strong through the body and who put size and brains into his get. She went to europe independently of the u.s. shagya queen and learned about the multiplicity of shagya bloodlines that produce sound stock and imported one of them to use as a follow on sire to Budapest. She tried to help start a reform group interested in correcting the self serving fantasy Queen faction who continued using a number of criple producing horses. The International Shagya group or ISG when faced with the internal u.s. revolt against their ordained u.s. shagya gang asked that the two factions work out their differences. The fantasy Queen faction went along with this for a time and then torpedoed the whole thing when it was clear they- the fantasy Queen faction would no longer be able to control every thing in the future if
democracy, transparency and fairness were adopted. So that was what I watched happen and a couple of times was tempted to buy into, but was able to dodge that disastrous bullet. There’s a bunch more to the story, mostly along the lines of juicy dirt stories illustrating the control freak ego mania of the fantasy queen faction. Details available upon request.
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Bruce Peek
@Bruce, oh my goodness, that sounds like a trainwreck! I’ve only seen photos of the Shagyas in Europe, and have been very impressed by the appearance and athletic ability of the horses. Very sad to hear that the US Shagyas are riddled with problems.
Oh, one thing I mistakenly misworded. Linda Rudolphy, the honest ethical breeder, stood Budapest at stud for years- breeding him to many mares. She did not actually breed him. He was imported in utero and was born to one of the last purpose bred Polish Shagya mares. And he passed on his mothers exemplary coupling.
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Bruce Peek